Realizing Refining Gem Supply

[llilii]

well, take it as a casual player's opinion

right now I'm just focusing on pet (quite expensive to maintain for a casuals) rather than forging because it's either expensive (UGs) or it's effect is too small / bad long term investment gems.

I know that forging (and 110%ing) is the last thing people will do, but maybe people will have the urge to gem more if the effect is buffed (?)

will any crus consider forging rage/fiery instead of rage/lust in one or both swords if say the effect is buffed +8 damage? (lv6 would be almost as good as an eye). maybe the terror of "failing" for forging past lv3 is holding some people back from forging noobs gems because the gain they will get is not worth for the risk (except for the pros)

 

[Cidpliskit]

add ug to mall

 

[Vandal02]

add ug to mall

You must be Moliyo descendant.

 

[Kolera]

a dedicated FC douchebag here..
sayin...
hell ye,, increase drop rate! /o/

 

[Gamma]

I think the following changes would be suffice:

Salvaging by 20% (1% -> 0.8%)
DW1/DW2 no longer drops refining gem

These seem sufficient
You should implement them first then see how sensitive ref prices are to the changes.

 

[backfromashes]

No matter how you are willing to buff fiery and furious. If you keep with 2 socket limit there will always be only rage/lustrious

You should've realized this already

This

 

[Leba]

This

I agree to a certain extent, but Lv1 Rage is ±20m, whereas let's say a buffed Fiery which would break even with a lv1 Rage at lv4 would cost a total of ~6.5m-7m. (Ref/forging/combining costs included). If a buffed Furious would break even at lv3, it would cost ~3-3.5m.

Of course, not everyone would jump on the hype train and forge those Gems, it's a matter of playstyle, I'd say. There's people who use crappy chest gear till they get the best end-game eq, and there's people who change gear every now and then so they can reach that "end game" faster. I think we'd see a similar situation here.

 

[kassio silvestre]

SPR Gem +1 to +2 or +3 ? <3

 

[DocWorm]

Maybe you can create a new refining gem called "unique refining gem" that its necesary to gem a unique gem.... and you would need to create the "unique refinig gem" with 3 normal refining gems or something like that

 

[kiwituatara]

One thing that I did not predicted properly was refining gem value, I think they are too undervalued currently. Looking over some brief questions/answers revealed that it's not exactly the supply itself that is problem but actual demand. Without unlimited supply of UG and extremely underpowered normal gems, people have not just bothered to forge at all. Personally I think refining gem needs to have more value otherwise the mazes like FC/DS will continue to decline eventually DW too. My recommendation as follows:

I think the following changes would be suffice:

Salvaging by 20% (1% -> 0.8%)
DW1/DW2 no longer drops refining gem

Additionally, we probably should talk about gems, and why they are so incredibly useless.

Fiery Attack +4 to +5 or +6
Furious Attack +6 to +7 or +8

Is buffing Fiery/Furious gems still on the table? (Maybe Shadow/Explosive gems too?)

 

[xhannodx]

sq also give ref gem, but idk if those are also a big part of the ref gem supply on the market.

about buffing those noob gems, if i were a crus, i'd still go for +5 hr rather than 4 or 6 damage, making it 8 or even 10 is good i guess, (so lv3 fiery would act like a lv1 rage) but make sure to buff other too like explo and furious, and defensive gems (having shining give 200 hp would make some class easier to survive 1 hit kill from higher lvl).
and how about the spr gems? seeing other UG are getting cheaper except soul, i'd like to have spr gem +2 spr too (so lv3 spr gem would act like lv1 soul)

actually, SQ is the reason of ref price low .. some ppl do full sqs daily .. to get 5 refs ( 2lv2 1 lv1) so easly they make 3m daily ,, ( they get aso 5 oss and lv60 pr neck and other items)

 

[Olpers]

SQ may be the reason

I am not saying that it is hard to do SQ , but its a long effort,dedication and hard work to get to that part where you get Oss, Refinings so its worth it . For example for each SQ you need to make a separate char and level it , you need to have Sea voy for memaid queen and etc.

 

[xhannodx]

SQ may be the reason

I am not saying that it is hard to do SQ , but its a long effort,dedication and hard work to get to that part where you get Oss, Refinings so its worth it . For example for each SQ you need to make a separate char and level it , you need to have Sea voy for memaid queen and etc.

believe me .. some ppl do it it 3-4 hours all .. they are ready with SV and everything and they become experience with quest .. u can call them SQers xd like FCer DSer

 

[Silvester9]

actually, SQ is the reason of ref price low .. some ppl do full sqs daily .. to get 5 refs ( 2lv2 1 lv1) so easly they make 3m daily ,, ( they get aso 5 oss and lv60 pr neck and other items)

I must agree , with the hard part of the story quest is not demanded for herbalists people tend to spam story quest more often , in fact some guys made it their main job like the amiquest#### and storyquest#### herbalists walking around .
I say herbalists should do the SQ like every other class , the ref is being sold for 400k sometimes which only brings pain to my heart .
and we totally agree with buffing normal gems.
another dedicated fc douchebag

 

[wiririn5]

my bet is on story quest when it comes to ref oversupply.

Mentioned it before, buff the noob gems. you can clearly observe how shit their price on stall (primarily fiery, furious, shadow) and no buyer.
suggestion: explo +16dmg, fiery +8dmg, furious +12dmg, spr gem +2spr, shadow +3dodge, glow +8def, shine +150hp. lust same as is.

this dude have a good point

 

[Mihali Dragos]

If they dont buff the FC/DS a bit then why are we still going there.Cuz no one wanna forge shitty gems in armor or swords so they dont even buy the refs and UG's are hard enough to get and expensive as fk...Im a FC char and we farm like FC1,FC2 even FC3 if we are many,from all 3 FC's if we get 1 ref gem thats lucky for us even with amp so a ref if its 450k and we are like 8 in fc we get like 56K each then why dafuq am i going FC if i cant even make money and the share its shit...And same is with DK we didn't get 1 a good drop from it now we dont even bother anymore to go DK ...From all the people we are on this server no one buys we are all selling,not even manuf cuz why do u need manuf for these days I remember when i was in first TOP a single piece of manuf was like 40k+ and an AG was like 25-30k so if u wanted to go to FC/DS u will need some cash but if u farmed FC 1 u would get easy like 2-3 refs with amp on and sold them like in 2-3 mins cuz everyone was geming and the UG's wasn't so expensive -,-

 

[kiwituatara]

SQ may be the reason

I am not saying that it is hard to do SQ , but its a long effort,dedication and hard work to get to that part where you get Oss, Refinings so its worth it . For example for each SQ you need to make a separate char and level it , you need to have Sea voy for memaid queen and etc.

What is SQ? story quest?

 

[MZarur]

What is SQ? story quest?

Yes.

 

[WWee82]

I must agree , with the hard part of the story quest is not demanded for herbalists people tend to spam story quest more often , in fact some guys made it their main job like the amiquest#### and storyquest#### herbalists walking around .
I say herbalists should do the SQ like every other class , the ref is being sold for 400k sometimes which only brings pain to my heart .
and we totally agree with buffing normal gems.
another dedicated fc douchebag

Totally agree on the abuse of SQ for herbalist..
It doesn't have to be same list of task with other classes but none at all is too much..
herbalist really need to do at least half of the task