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Problems with P2W system

This is top. This is P2W w/e you do. If you will remove the p2w part, the game is going to die out. FOX did try to remove the p2w part. Did it work out?

the point is , zankza is putting limitations to everything so that even if you mall thousands you cant get THAT FAR ahead of normal players. Ofc you will get ahead BUT NOT THAT FAR. And i believe as the time goes on he will slowly remove those limitations(level cap gem cap etc) when normal players catch up and make the game easier for new players to catch up(a.k.a hexa ) with lvls.
 
you can get hbs from fortune tree. You can easily buy any ring you want from stalls or mallers since they are really cheap right now.Mallers arent keeping the rings for just themselves so i really dont get why u are complainning. My guild has given away like 30 fairy box in past 5 days to newbies. Forging stuff(not gems) has to be in mall. Fusion scrolls are 50k at stalls. Stat resets is a luxury , if you dont plan ahead with your stats thats your own fault. Hairstyle stuff is a luxury . Apparels is a luxury. Inventory slots is mostly luxury unless you are a voy.
You still don't get what i'm saying, please read my posts again. That's why i said HB, CB is fine... and it's not just about the prices anyway. I have problems with OP items... ofc you can buy items from a maller, but that's what i'm talking about, you have to buy those things from MALLERS which gives them way too much money. And when did i say remove luxury and every forging items from the mall? AGAIN, some items are fine, but OP items are NOT. Low priced or not those items should be ingame obtainable and NOT from mallers. Fairy box, str scrolls, rings and some other minor items should be only INGAME stuffs. And mall would be still VERY important, because of the nanas, many forging items, hairstyle stuff, inventory, fairy ration, pet lvling items, apparels, etc. That's still many things to sell. AGAIN, which is fine.
"Stat resets is a luxury , if you dont plan ahead with your stats thats your own fault." It's not about my fault or not, we are not talking about that. Why do you bring these random things up?
 
You still don't get what i'm saying, please read my posts again. That's why i said HB, CB is fine... and it's not just about the prices anyway. I have problems with OP items... ofc you can buy items from a maller, but that's what i'm talking about, you have to buy those things from MALLERS which gives them way too much money. And when did i say remove luxury and every forging items from the mall? AGAIN, some items are fine, but OP items are NOT. Low priced or not those items should be ingame obtainable and NOT from mallers. Fairy box, str scrolls, rings and some other minor items should be only INGAME stuffs. And mall would be still VERY important, because of the nanas, many forging items, hairstyle stuff, inventory, fairy ration, pet lvling items, apparels, etc. That's still many things to sell. AGAIN, which is fine.
"Stat resets is a luxury , if you dont plan ahead with your stats thats your own fault." It's not about my fault or not, we are not talking about that. Why do you bring these random things up?

go play a moba or something please. Mmorpgs are not the right kind of game for you
 
On the one hand, Reon and the gang are right, people who work or play harder or more often should of course be stronger, it's only natural.
On the other hand, I too feel like the game is becoming less interesting for many people due to the expensive prices of Rum and the kinda limited ways of playing (imo). This is why I have to disagree with the "maller side".
I hear of many people quitting, competition getting lower, scrubs doing all DW's a day without any enemy, all unseals go to Scrubs.
I'm not saying it is undeserved, people work hard to get what they got, spend time and cash into this.

But sadly, those few people are not the only ones we need. If this wants to be successful in the long run, we need to think of the big whole and make this most attractive for the biggest percentage of players not just the top 10 players/mallers.

The server started out well I believe, but as time passes and people become higher level, they find themselves in the situation that there's little to do if they can't go DW/CA since those are the only places that give you the strong gear and the strong gems (ofc you can make money and try buying those things, but doing money all day long for weeks trying to slowly catch up is not exactly the most fun either, I understand why people don't want to level newbies 5 hours a day).

Leveling becomes a real pain past 60 due to lack of equipment and really low rates. You need HB and nana all the time to gain a few percent in 15 minutes.
But...while HB CAN be free (Fortune tree, but seriously, that is the most irritating feature, since its kinda legal botting) nana is not free. Nana is super expensive, ingame and in rum, too. And as the levels get higher, you'll eventually ask yourself..when will I get High amplifiers of Strive? And here comes the bigger problem.
I can imagine Zankza will put this item into the mall just like the other leveling fruits. But I'm sure the prices will be inhuman.
They are most likely going to be more expensive than the nanas. So I'm assuming 5 Hi amps will be around 50 Rum...5$ for 5 Amps or 1$ each amp.
That's 1$ for amp and 80 cent for 2 nanas = 1,80$ for 30 minutes of leveling per person.
That's a real turn off. I've spent alot of money in the game already, more items are to come, and as I see it, the game will become more expensive as time passes forcing you to pay eve mroe money to compete. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.

This is kinda how I see this. Due to increase of potency of mall, server becomes more and more unnattractive for people to stay. Mallers are telling those who complain that they are wrong and should stop bitching because they enjoy it how it is. But this is no solution for the long run and I ask all mallers to consider this. You spend money now, you are having fun right now and you may be right with all things you say. You also help people with fairy boxes for free etc and all these things. Those things might be true, but this direction is not good in the long run. And tell me, do you honestly enjoy the PK? I hear some are bored by the lack of PK already, PVE is becoming monotone, repetitive, useless. Gearing up becomes irrelevant because of no competition.
The idea was to share DW / CA with others, but it seems this is not exactly working either. And also, it's kinda pitiful to accept such a proposition.
"You aint good enough so I let you win sometimes, so that when you become a bit stronger and more motivated, I'll crush you once again"

Long post, many thoughts, give me your response.
 
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On the one hand, Reon and the gang are right, people who work or play harder or more often should of course be stronger, it's only natural.
On the other hand, I too feel like the game is becoming less interesting for many people due to the expensive prices of Rum and the kinda limited ways of playing (imo). This is why I have to disagree with the "maller side".
I hear of many people quitting, competition getting lower, scrubs doing all DW's a day without any enemy, all unseals go to Scrubs.
I'm not saying it is undeserved, people work hard to get what they got, spend time and cash into this.

But sadly, those few people are not the only ones we need. If this wants to be successful in the long run, we need to think of the big whole and make this most attractive for the biggest percentage of players not just the top 10 players/mallers.

The server started out well I believe, but as time passes and people become higher level, they find themselves in the situation that there's little to do if they can't go DW/CA since those are the only places that give you the strong gear and the strong gems (ofc you can make money and try buying those things, but doing money all day long for weeks trying to slowly catch up is not exactly the most fun either, I understand why people don't want to level newbies 5 hours a day).

Leveling becomes a real pain past 60 due to lack of equipment and really low rates. You need HB and nana all the time to gain a few percent in 15 minutes.
But...while HB CAN be free (Fortune tree, but seriously, that is the most irritating feature, since its kinda legal botting) nana is not free. Nana is super expensive, ingame and in rum, too. And as the levels get higher, you'll eventually ask yourself..when will I get High amplifiers of Strive? And here comes the bigger problem.
I can imagine Zankza will put this item into the mall just like the other leveling fruits. But I'm sure the prices will be inhuman.
They are most likely going to be more expensive than the nanas. So I'm assuming 5 Hi amps will be around 50 Rum...5$ for 5 Amps or 1$ each amp.
That's 1$ for amp and 80 cent for 2 nanas = 1,80$ for 30 minutes of leveling per person.
That's a real turn off. I've spent alot of money in the game already, more items are to come, and as I see it, the game will become more expensive as time passes forcing you to pay eve mroe money to compete. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.

This is kinda how I see this. Due to increase of potency of mall, server becomes more and more unnattractive for people to stay. Mallers are telling those who complain that they are wrong and should stop bitching because they enjoy it how it is. But this is no solution for the long run and I ask all mallers to consider this. You spend money now, you are having fun right now and you may be right with all things you say. You also help people with fairy boxes for free etc and all these things. Those things might be true, but this direction is not good in the long run. And tell me, do you honestly enjoy the PK? I hear some are bored by the lack of PK already, PVE is becoming monotone, repetitive, useless. Gearing up becomes irrelevant because of no competition.
The idea was to share DW / CA with others, but it seems this is not exactly working either. And also, it's kinda pitiful to accept such a proposition.
"You aint good enough so I let you win sometimes, so that when you become a bit stronger and more motivated, I'll crush you once again"

Long post, many thoughts, give me your response.

Good, fair and awesome opinion. Kudos
 
this is exactly why a reputation exchange system is needed. And i do believe zankza alreay started taking steps towards that direction. Ofc not everything in mall can be in award center but as long as people can get some essential items from award center i do believe every1 would be more happier.
 
Why non-maller are more willing to farm credit/reputation rather than farming gold and buy rum/mall item in game?
Since non-maller can't or don't want to mall, why non-maller can't show some support for the people who are actually paying on their behalf for this server to be kept developed, running and alive?

Unique ring/necklace can be bought in-game from maller's stall.
Why don't want to buy from maller's stall?

Stop telling stories the maller are P2W. They are not. There are no OP items in mall.
They are just progress a little bit faster for now and will stuck somewhere for non-maller to catch up.

If non-maller don't want to mall, at least non-maller should do to help this server is to encourage other to mall for them.
 
Why non-maller are more willing to farm credit/reputation rather than farming gold and buy rum/mall item in game?
Since non-maller can't or don't want to mall, why non-maller can't show some support for the people who are actually paying on their behalf for this server to be kept developed, running and alive?

Unique ring/necklace can be bought in-game from maller's stall.
Why don't want to buy from maller's stall?

Stop telling stories the maller are P2W. They are not. There are no OP items in mall.
They are just progress a little bit faster for now and will stuck somewhere for non-maller to catch up.

If non-maller don't want to mall, at least non-maller should do to help this server is to encourage other to mall for them.

Again, if you buy from a maller, then you make him way too rich. This is what P2W system is about. There are so many things in the Item Mall, i don't know about the current income of the server, but i think it's highly enough for the team to maintain it. They will answer to this question if they want.
Adding Item Mall stuff ingame obtainable isn't just for the sake of removing P2W system, it makes the game more interesting. We have many bosses without any good drops we have many rare random items which could be used to combine an IM item through a new system or with crafting. There are many possibilites to make the game content better while removing P2W system. And don't forget better system=more players=more money for the team. AGAIN, there would be still many many things on the mall which will be always needed for non maller players. I just don't see that's how not enough. But i guess as Silfro said, some people are used to P2W system and they think this is normal for an MMORPG.
 
agree with this guy, everything is in mall..
why dont change some bosses drop, create some instance dungeon? it gonna be more fun
 
Why non-maller are more willing to farm credit/reputation rather than farming gold and buy rum/mall item in game?
Since non-maller can't or don't want to mall, why non-maller can't show some support for the people who are actually paying on their behalf for this server to be kept developed, running and alive?

Unique ring/necklace can be bought in-game from maller's stall.
Why don't want to buy from maller's stall?

Stop telling stories the maller are P2W. They are not. There are no OP items in mall.
They are just progress a little bit faster for now and will stuck somewhere for non-maller to catch up.

If non-maller don't want to mall, at least non-maller should do to help this server is to encourage other to mall for them.


I see your ability to reason is impaired by your double rings cuz u tlkin crazy lol. No one said they dont support malling. We don't support malling for equipment and OP items and if you dont think Uneck and Uring are OP then ur a noob to the game. Do the match 1 Uring lv 50 = 10 stats which makes your player 20 stat points ahead of a non maller. and since stat points are 1 per lvl until 60 your at least 10 levels about a non maller (guess thats not op).
 
No equipment in mall.

So you should get it too, there are obtainable in stall or by player selling rum.

Buy 2 pcs lv 60 from stall or from player selling rum and you'll be same stats level with mallers forever.


Maybe you dont know equipment are but necklace and ring counts as equipment.
 
Maybe you dont know equipment are but necklace and ring counts as equipment.
It just a simple accessory that can't be upgraded or get any more stronger.
It give maller a very short time of stats advantage before being catch up by hardworking non-mallers.
Plus there won't be any other equips in mall.
 
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