Unique gems from Item mall.

[Radagast]

What do you do after everyone has lv 3 gems? We are back in this place. Everyones going to cry about nothing to do. Thatswhy limiting them to lv 3 is stupid.

Who has ever said that there's nothing to do? Since when this is a problem on this server? Never heard of it.

You cant and will never be able to limit them. There are too many ways to go through the "checks". Bann mac? Use other hardware. Bann IP? Change ip.

Did you even read all of my message?

 

[Silfro]

Who has ever said that there's nothing to do? Since when this is a problem on this server? Never heard of it.


Did you even read all of my message?

https://devxf2.piratekings.online/f...tting-nothing-to-do-getting-boring.184/unread


Solution to avoid strong players getting everything and weak players can only buy things from the strong players:
- Create a PVM dungeon where you can get unique gems.
- Put unique gems into the cash shop.

The problem when you put unique gems directly into the cash shop:
Players just buy item shop items, sell some for money, buy chests/lvling. Now he has everything he wanted just by spending lets say 100$. Now they spend another 400$ and they have all gems max lv and wipe your ass without even having to kill a single monster while you played 8h, did dungeons etc everyday.

What does a player have if he dont mall? He has to lvl alone (unless someone is nice enough and lvl him for free). He dont have any gold nor items. He will NOT be able to get any gems unless he buy from the cash shop. He will be mad because a lv 45 player who didnt do anything except spending some money will one slash him while he is lv 60+ and worked a lot.

- Gems Lv 3
If you do limit the gems to lv 3 FOR A WHILE you will have a problem -> none is going to sell any gems because they are stacking the bank full with lv 3 gems. If they need some money ( for rations as example he might be selling 1 gem )
If the gems are going to be limited to lv 3 for ever then people might cry that they dont have anything to do. Why go ca? You go there 1. If you are bored and want some PK. 2. To get gems/ca frame.
If there is no limit at all people wont even bother trying to get lv 6 and higher gems because its nearly impossible -> they will sell all the gems

- About the PVM dungeon to get unique gems.
If there is not such a dungeon the non-mallers (new players) are simply fucked. Now for you brainless people please do not cry "if there is pvm dungeon to get ug's none will go pvp dungeon or the server is going to be flooded with ugs". There is no one who says you have to drop at least 1 or 2 ugs per dungeon. If youre unlucky you will not even get one UG within 5 dungeons. Getting UG's should be hard but not impossible also harder to get than in a PVP dungeon and of course opened within same time as PVP dungeon.

PVP Dungeon = Chaos Argent.
PVM Dungeon could be the same as chaos argent just without PVP possibility.

- About people who might cry about "nothing to do"
To avoid this there shouldnt be any limits. Once you limit something you take away possible things to do.

And dont come to me now with "but in tales of pirates it worked for 8 years". This is not TOP/PKO nor does the same community and hype exist. 95% of the players are old TOP/PKO players who dont like to be weak and want everything asap. The 5% are new players who never played top/pko before they dont bother if they are weak or not.

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I still vote for not putting the ugs directly into the item shop. Let people work, farming ug vouchers in PVP & PVM dungeons and then they require a key from the item shop to open the ug vouchers.
This way you get 1. People have something to do. 2. You dont get everything just by spending money. 3. You push the economy (people selling vouchers, keys and ugs) 4. More people are going to buy some item shop points.

 

[ayhan123]

https://devxf2.piratekings.online/f...tting-nothing-to-do-getting-boring.184/unread

this is a vanilla server u dumb kid. ofc people will get bored untill they get to lvl 50-60s where they can actually start doing mazes and start pking That topic was made while those players were still lvl 30-50 which is pretty fckng boring i will admit. But if you dont grind you dont get to have fun. Every single person here was like "omg omg vanilla i dont like fast pace i just wanna enjoy the game" so they dont have the right to complain. Guilds are soon to be added to the server so people will start forming groups and doing mazes and once you reach lvl 60-70 theres reallly shit ton of things you can do. Even if you are low level you can always do cooking manıfacturing , there is so much to do in this game but casuals always keep crying i dont know why.

 

[Radagast]

this is a vanilla server u dumb kid. ofc people will get bored untill they get to lvl 50-60s where they can actually start doing mazes and start pking That topic was made while those players were still lvl 30-50 which is pretty fckng boring i will admit. But if you dont grind you dont get to have fun. Every single person here was like "omg omg vanilla i dont like fast pace i just wanna enjoy the game" so they dont have the right to complain. Guilds are soon to be added to the server so people will start forming groups and doing mazes and once you reach lvl 60-70 theres reallly shit ton of things you can do. Even if you are low level you can always do cooking manıfacturing , there is so much to do in this game but casuals always keep crying i dont know why.

Exactly my thoughts.

 

[Radagast]

https://devxf2.piratekings.online/f...tting-nothing-to-do-getting-boring.184/unread

Dude, these are not players... I mean, they will quit anyway soon, if they haven't yet. This is a goddamn vanilla.. People who played ToP 1 like 7 years ago wont ever complain about things going hard, because that's why they are actualy playing this server, for nostalgic feeling and memories of their favorite MMORPG growing up. ( atleast thats why I'm playing it, and that's why I enjoy it so much).

 

[Silfro]

Dude, these are not players... I mean, they will quit anyway soon, if they haven't yet. This is a goddamn vanilla.. People who played ToP 1 like 7 years ago wont ever complain about things going hard, because that's why they are actualy playing this server, for nostalgic feeling and memories of their favorite MMORPG growing up. ( atleast thats why I'm playing it, and that's why I enjoy it so much).

I started to play 2007. TOP had it best time 2007-2009 after that it went "down". The item shop only had fairiess, ring & neck vouchers, ugs and the other consumeable items.

If zankza want a successful server he need to take care about new, normal and casual players. You guys only think about yourselves but you have to think about everyone. Find a way to make everyone happy and not only yourself. Accept new ideas and not only the same things you have seen in the last 7 years in every private server.

If you dont know why casual players cry then you should use your brain and think about it instead of getting aggressive and starting to insult someone who tries to help.

 

[ayhan123]

I started to play 2007. TOP had it best time 2007-2009 after that it went "down". The item shop only had fairiess, ring & neck vouchers, ugs and the other consumeable items.

Find a way to make everyone happy and not only yourself.

thats not how things work . you must be some 12 year old kid if you think you can make every1 happy. not even worth discussing with you

 

[Vladist]

Let me add my thoughts on this now. do not add UG gems in mall this early, why? simply because it's too early, the mere fact that zankza can't even think of an appropriate price means it is too early. 300 rum for 1 UG is a big NO. no non maller will be able to come close to affording a UG much less 2 for now.. that's 7.5m per UG, look at ranking and tell me how many people have 7.5m . not to mention a pricing that high will benefit those super rich mallers the most (the ones that mall like $500) and you can't even make it cheap because then the super rich mallers would benefit more, mallers already have the easy life of catching up by buying plvl with rum and also selling mall items to players, there is no need to add UG's to mall this early
Unecks/Urings these are things you should add now(since these won't make anyone OP) and yes make it random but not too expensive, i'd recommend separating by lvl but you can do it the normal way where you get lvl 20-60 from one scroll(this would of course cost more) if you doing it separate you could start at 10 rum for lvl 20 15 for lvl 30, 20 for lvl 40 , 25 for lvl 50 and 30 for lvl 60 (remember its still random) the 20-60 scroll could be like 50 rum, these are for rings. for the necks you can just add 10 rum to the price for each lvl.

sticking to the topic of the thread though, no UG's in mall for now at least this is something you would add when there are people with lvl 4,5 UGs since at this time they need 16/32 UGs to upgrade so malling all of them won't be worth it. but it will help those with none or lvl 1,2 UGs and when adding at this time you won't have to think of overpricing it (like 300 rum for a random UG) you could put 1 UG for 80-100 rum (not too cheap but pricey enough)

 

[Brother]

1. Lv3 cap will be increased after a month or so.
2. The cap is to make whoever trying to stacking up/monopoly gem to not being OP and still can be killed by ungemmed player for now.
3. This game supposed to be the old TOP/PKO which we love and hate the most.
4. UG should be scarce for now.
5. The best time to put UG into mall is when most player have UG in their equip or when UG got monopolize and almost impossible for normal player to get.
6. TOP/PKO sell UG in mall but still doing better than any "non-mall" or "balanced" server.
7. Non-maller can farm gold in-game and buy rum from maller to get UG.
8. Small maller usually bought UG from mall and sell on stall to gain fast gold.

 

[Vladist]

6. TOP/PKO sell UG in mall but still doing better than any "non-mall" or "balanced" server.
7. Non-maller can farm gold in-game and buy rum from maller to get UG.

firstly, i have to say keep reinforcing that this server has significantly less players than any server on top hence the effects of putting UG in mall are totally different. and also the issue was that if you put UGs this early, you'd have to overprice, as karton suggested 300 rum per UG, which would not be very beneficial right now. the amount of cash available in the server along with the prices of items is not high enough to be selling UGs for 7.5m. 300 rum is way too much as well. right now a UG is worth something like 2-4m, this tells the story that the server is still young (seeing as UGs sold for up to 20/25m in original

 

[Silfro]

I dont think anyone would be selling UG's.

1. The most want to use them by themselves.
2. The most dont even have enough gold that they can spend on a UG.
3. Selling rats and other things would be much faster than selling UGs to earn money.

The community has to create the prices by themselves and admins shouldn't interact.

Another thing, are the UG's going to be +5 ? I always felt like +5 stats per gem is way too much.
There should be 2 different type of rage gems. +5 for 2-hand sword and +3 for 1-hand sword.

 

[Vladist]

1. The most want to use them by themselves.
2. The most dont even have enough gold that they can spend on a UG.
3. Selling rats and other things would be much faster than selling UGs to earn money.

exactly. putting UGs in mall would interfere with pricing.

There should be 2 different type of rage gems. +5 for 2-hand sword and +3 for 1-hand sword.

this soudns like you're asking for a crus nerf

 

[Brother]

firstly, i have to say keep reinforcing that this server has significantly less players than any server on top hence the effects of putting UG in mall are totally different. and also the issue was that if you put UGs this early, you'd have to overprice, as karton suggested 300 rum per UG, which would not be very beneficial right now. the amount of cash available in the server along with the prices of items is not high enough to be selling UGs for 7.5m. 300 rum is way too much as well. right now a UG is worth something like 2-4m, this tells the story that the server is still young (seeing as UGs sold for up to 20/25m in original

Didn' t say anything about putting UG into mall this early. Only said the best time to put UG into mall is when most player already have UG on their equip. (high level UG) or when someone making it impossible for other to get.

 

[Silfro]

exactly. putting UGs in mall would interfere with pricing.


this soudns like you're asking for a crus nerf

Well yea it is a crusader nerf indeed. But this is a one of the best ways to balance crusader without ruining anything. If ug's are going to be placed in the mall then need to think steps ahead. I dont know if zankza want to do a small change like this. But me as a crusader main wouldnt bother about this. Champions will be able to gem they sword for cheaper since they dont need the same gem as crus anymore.

 

[aquaricky]

Like i said before, putting gems in the mall is gunna do more harm than good. Not only do you kill any chance of new players experiencing the game you mess with the economy and the power level of players. If you want more gems in game then add more ways to farm gems at ALL LEVELS, increase gem drop rates in mazes etc. The mall should be for convenience not to get OP items, put forge fruits in the mall once more gems drop in game then more people will need forge fruits and so they will buy from the mall.

if your gunna add gems to the mall might as well add death set to it cuz thats what everyone is gunna complain about next instead of working on their team work skills. Most of u want gems but most of u havent tried doing bosses.

 

[Princeps]

making max gem level 5 would be kinda ok,since every1 could catch up but lv7s erm idk

 

[ayhan123]

how high are you people? lvl 7 gems? nobody is gonna get a lvl 7 gem in years

 

[Radagast]

how high are you people? lvl 7 gems? nobody is gonna get a lvl 7 gem in years

As I keep reading, the more I understand these people simply has no idea what they are talking about... Noone will even have lv5 gem by end of this year... Ok, maybe 1-2 lv5 gems MIGHT be possible... lv7 gems.. u high kids?

 

[Vladist]

how high are you people? lvl 7 gems? nobody is gonna get a lvl 7 gem in years

lmao exactly, if you only have chance of 1-3 UG of a certain kind per ca i don't think we have to worry about anyone getting 64 of any UG (after getting lvl 6, which is going to take a while) for a very, very long time considering sharing will take place as well and you might lose some CA

 

[SugarWalls]

Server is great the way it is already, but sooner or later there must be gems on mall, or else gems will barely appear on world and be sold ASAP which will suck. But there has to be a special way, like a random UG voucher which seems fair to me.