Addition of low tier gems to FC|DS

[Radagast]

Magic classes need dodge aswell so it dont see why melee would be op thanks to thos gems o.o

Magic classes need dodge for what exactly? Melee classes will unlock them anyway, bcuz they are gemming HR gems to unlock other cruzes. Magics can't reach decent dodge unless some super weird agi build, which would suck anyway.

 

[Goners]

These gems make Melee classes OP compared to magic ones. Free hitrate and dodge....

I'm sorry fail to see how it makes them OP compared to magic classes other than adding chiatan's.
The only thing worthy to note is that crus will highly benefit since it can forge 3x lust on 2 swords and gloves + locks and they wont miss a thing, or bings on boots if they choose to do that instead of BD hearts(assuming it stays 2 sockets forever, giving players an decisive option on what to put and build) but that being said currently SS and Crus should be able to hit anything already so what's changing through adding lock's? Lol if anything the melee would get more interesting.

Magic classes don't miss their def, dodge, sp, hp is being added as well as any class. As of now only Champs I'd believe are the only class that COULD miss via melee against a magic class unless they're on a Hephaestus claw.
In PvE it's needed on mobs for any class its helpful but not an overpowering helpful.
In a PvP situation it would make things more interesting since its a buff for all classes hp def dodge wise
Over all its not adding any aspd, damage melee (unless you count Chiatan's crit add), or magic damage. Just more option and survival PvE and PvP wise

 

[Irvinning]

Why not make cracked gems unable to be forged if there is already the original gem, then? E.g: A sword with GoR would not be able to forge the CGoR and vice-versa.
I believe that would greatly lessen the problem of uneven scaling, while allowing for those who aren't rich enough to fill themselves with UGs to gem up and be able to compete.

 

[Igoration]

I wonder if this game will actually survive with only UGs, not even allowing the weaker versions will actually hurt the pk even more.
What will motivate you guys to get stronger when you are lvl 80+ and have all lvl 3 UGs you want? Why not add anything new?
And I've said it before and everyone ignored it: Crus need to sacrifice 30 hit rate in order to get +18 str, and crusaders with low hit rate are weaker than you think.
I think adding new features to the game will help it to not become stale or boring and I still don't buy the "crus will be op" excuse.

 

[Goners]

Why not make cracked gems unable to be forged if there is already the original gem, then? E.g: A sword with GoR would not be able to forge the CGoR and vice-versa.
I believe that would greatly lessen the problem of uneven scaling, while allowing for those who aren't rich enough to fill themselves with UGs to gem up and be able to compete.

I like this idea so it doesn't have a stacked effect and I support it however , the thing is UG's are a problem to get already that's why not many are in the market currently its a hassle but not impossible.
Cracked/Chipped gems are farmed in FC and DS which run what every 3 hours correct me if I'm wrong and the DS community isn't bad so it will come in the market well getting a lv3 wouldn't be a problem. If UG's are harder to get you need about 7 to make a lv1-3 UG to make it better than a chipped that in itself will take a while and seeing that it doesn't stack people will settle with the cracked and chipped rendering the regular UG's pointless UNLESS the community willing to grind an absurd amount of time for that lvl 4 and very select few I believe will have those or even have the patience for it if it goes this route. Which leads to the scenario below regarding the gemming for cruses

And I've said it before and everyone ignored it: Crus need to sacrifice 30 hit rate in order to get +18 str, and crusaders with low hit rate are weaker than you think.
I think adding new features to the game will help it to not become stale or boring and I still don't buy the "crus will be op" excuse.

Stated above by a few others that the Str scaling for Crus is too good and it is not +18 Str, its +27 Fc/Ds cruses are zerkers adding low tier winds in their boots will allow them to reset 9 to Str, but it would be the same for a 70+ 9 agi that isnt base goes to str if their str is not maxed. That's almost 30 str compared to a cleric voy champ or SS who is able to add an extra 9 lol. You make the comparison, 30 hit rate for 30str? it's rhetorical

 

[Radagast]

Stated above by a few others that the Str scaling for Crus is too good and it is not +18 Str, its +27 Fc/Ds cruses are zerkers adding low tier winds in their boots will allow them to reset 9 to Str, but it would be the same for a 70+ 9 agi that isnt base goes to str if their str is not maxed. That's almost 30 str compared to a cleric voy champ or SS who is able to add an extra 9 lol.

This is all you need to understand to understand that they would ruin the game. Well said.

 

[Berubo]

I'd like to see a voy kill a cleric in fc xD

Except for that one hahaha. >.>

 

[Radagast]

Why not make cracked gems unable to be forged if there is already the original gem, then? E.g: A sword with GoR would not be able to forge the CGoR and vice-versa.
I believe that would greatly lessen the problem of uneven scaling, while allowing for those who aren't rich enough to fill themselves with UGs to gem up and be able to compete.

This is actually a decent idea. That's the only way how they could be implemented right now I believe.

 

[Irvinning]

If UG's are harder to get you need about 7 to make a lv1-3 UG to make it better than a chipped that in itself will take a while and seeing that it doesn't stack people will settle with the cracked and chipped rendering the regular UG's pointless UNLESS the community willing to grind an absurd amount of time for that lvl 4 and very select few I believe will have those or even have the patience for it if it goes this route.

This is a good point, but I'd simply write off chipped gems for now, since they being nearly as good as the real ones would, indeed, simply destroy the point of gemming UGs right now, considering their availability. However, going up to cracked gems might not be out of reason, since a lv3 cracked is still worse than a lv2 UG and cannot be improved further.

 

[Goners]

This is a good point, but I'd simply write off chipped gems for now, since they being nearly as good as the real ones would, indeed, simply destroy the point of gemming UGs right now, considering their availability. However, going up to cracked gems might not be out of reason, since a lv3 cracked is still worse than a lv2 UG and cannot be improved further.

Another valid point; your idea is awesome because it removes Dual Str scaling and as said again I approve of it.
Edit: Forgot to add, yeah chipped should not be implemented <- you already explained it, im off to work now haha.

->The issue is again stated above, right now the only problem is again Cruses are getting +27 Str if this is implemented and the only way we can approve of this is if the community and Zankza approves of it.<-
One reason and the only reason I would stand for this is that I am a Crus, but 99% of me see's it as a liability because Crus is just a good class it has great passive+attack skills and it scales very well in all aspects of the game in Dodge, Def, Hitrate, Attack speed, and most of all Damage if this class had WindWalk it would be a God Class if it hasn't been already(I'm sorry there is no way around it you can cry and complain but that is the facts lol it is an overpowering class by default if you look at the mechanics as a whole compared to other classes) Adding More damage and aspd (and towards end-game these two go hand in hand) to a class like this is a clear imbalance to all, even early on.

The positive I see in this (take away the crus aspect for now) if it is only cracked gem's is the economy and community by assumption (I won't go into detail on each point unless I have to, it should be easy to understand):
-All classes will benefit from extra stats (from lv45+)
-All of the Leveling and Farming will be better due to the stats (from lv45+)
-It improves the FC community, people will make chars and go down there for its sake
-DS community is already alive, people wanting to go FC will produce a better market for FC unseal items (if it isnt a rarity already lol)
-Refs will be in demand, having both the FC and DS community on equal footing for farming and money.

It has good points, but the balance for Crus through the gems is the issue. It creates a snowball effect for the rest of the classes because they still need to compete with them, sorry but not sorry to say 9 Con isn't enough for other classes it does not scale well in Def and HP ENOUGH to make the 30str that they are gaining a balance.
P.S Crus can get that 9 con as well lol, and they get some good adds with that.

 

[PanMilan]

Too early to add new gems into the server. ESP to mazes that can be monopolized by seavoys.(since no seaweed)
game pace is going good, its not like people are on BD gems that we need broken or crack gems to go against then.
Right now ungemed people(chest items) with just pets, rings and a nice level + build can kill gemed people even those that have ug's .

 

[Sotto]

I don't think anyone mentioned how crusaders would actually have +15 agi (9 agi from crack and 6 agi from broken). That's a lot more str bonus.
But I think these changes will happen anyway, even without cracked and broken gems.

I mean, if the jump in max attack is so much greater than the jump magical classes get from spr/con and than the jump SS get from acc because they can only gem one equip, won't this distance between crusaders and other classes happen anyway as people lv and gem up?

 

[Radagast]

I don't think anyone mentioned how crusaders would actually have +15 agi (9 agi from crack and 6 agi from broken). That's a lot more str bonus.
But I think these changes will happen anyway, even without cracked and broken gems.

I mean, if the jump in max attack is so much greater than the jump magical classes get from spr/con and than the jump SS get from acc because they can only gem one equip, won't this distance between crusaders and other classes happen anyway as people lv and gem up?

It will, but very slowly...

 

[Sotto]

It will, but very slowly...

so other classes will "slowly" be pwned by crusaders?
I feel like the server will have to eventually add those changes adopted by other private servers to even out the field, like allowing spr and acc gems to go into equips other than staffs and gloves.

 

[Radagast]

so other classes will "slowly" be pwned by crusaders?
I feel like the server will have to eventually add those changes adopted by other private servers to even out the field, like allowing spr and acc gems to go into equips other than staffs and gloves.

we shouldnt worry about that much while we have only 2 sockets and no1 can gem over lv3 gems...
But if server is succesfull and we are like year or year and a half in and people gem lv6 gems, then ye, some little additions should be done.

 

[Lillan]

Make the fc boss drop broken gems atleast so there will be pk in fc

5% chance for DK to drop a broken gem is good tbh

 

[LudwigVonMises]

I vote for chip and cracked gems. They were really amazing for all classes. And it would revive FC and DS.

It sucks to be forced to add those shit gems into weapons of ALL classes. It is not even worthy to add most of the gems into weapons. And look at magic classes. Only two gems are useful, the rest, are shit.

I mean, melee can add BD Eye into weapons also, Spr classes are forced to have those lame +5 and +1 spr.

 

[LudwigVonMises]

I can assure you that atleast 50-60% from UG's available in game come from Lottery, NSS or OSS. And everybody has the same chances in those, right?

It would make Cruz way overpowered over other classes (simply bcuz SS couldn't get more than those +9acc, while cruz can get +18str).


Let people atleast level max lvl 2nd gen pets... It will be shitload of stats.. Server is still really new for 1x rate server... The less gems and stat boosters are implemented, the better for time beeing. Those 18 stats might not seem super ridiculous right now, but that's only because no1 has any gem higher than lv3 ( and only few actually have gemmed UG's tbh).

I disagree with everything you have said.

Everybody has the same chances? But very small chances to a point no one has gems on weapons and we don't see them selling around.

Crusaders are not overpower. They are the most expensive chars and have a shitty defense and low HP. Most of crusaders are shit it is just that most of the people play crusader.

Considering endgame, champions are the ultimate chars. I have tested on other servers and nothing beats champions endgame.

Well, magic classes have ridiculous statuses right now. You might get +1 spr and +5 spr and that's it. Nothing else is useful.

Melee classes have BD Eye.

 

[Leba]

I vote for chip and cracked gems. They were really amazing for all classes. And it would revive FC and DS.

It would honestly ramp up Crusader's base stats which is in my opinion what's still keeping them fairly balanced at the moment. Being able to go full str and not worrying about base Agi since you get it from cracked and/or chippeds, as well as the fact that you can get Str at a much easier rate would simply make the class insanely strong. And this is coming from a crusader player.

I'm all for keeping this game as vanilla as possible, but I do agree that SOME changes have to be made in accordance with what's best for the server. The fact that this idea would cause imbalance in the game from a class balance perspective isn't the worst part, this would simply accelerate the game by a lot, since people will be able to get base stats (Exclusive to the insanely expensive UGs right now) at a much quicker and easier rate, making everything way easier and way faster. Not what we need.

 

[Radagast]

Everybody has the same chances? But very small chances to a point no one has gems on weapons and we don't see them selling around.

Lol, people already have lv3 UG's in EQ, what are you talking about??? Everytime I go through argent stalls there's like 1-3 UG's in stalls.

Crusaders are not overpower. They are the most expensive chars and have a shitty defense and low HP. Most of crusaders are shit it is just that most of the people play crusader.

Have you even played ToP? They are tied for best PR/def stats on eq with champion.And have higher hp gain per con than SS or Cleric.

Considering endgame, champions are the ultimate chars. I have tested on other servers and nothing beats champions endgame.

If you're talking about lv7+ UGs and Azraels, then yes. Champions have highest str/max ratio and highest con/hp ratio. Not the case in this server tho, as there wont be Azrael or Great Gems for 300+ stats.

Well, magic classes have ridiculous statuses right now. You might get +1 spr and +5 spr and that's it. Nothing else is useful.

Magic classes are actually only ones who can gem spr ( their damage stat) in more than 1 EQ compared to other classes (cruz might be exception as they are gemming 2 swords, so 2x stats from UG's, which actually is why cruz is OP).

Melee classes have BD Eye.

Weren't you the one who just said people don't even have UG's? And they have BD eyes? You're blasphemous...


There are many reasons why this servers PK and beginner growth is in bad shape, but UG or Cracked/Chipped gems have nothing to do with it.