SS

[red91]

Can you make strikings forgable in guns? SS are already the weakest class by far. With a far worse skillset then crusaders. I think the extra damage may help remotely balance out the SS class in general. Food for thought.

 

[red91]

Plus crusaders can forge rages in 2 weapons. So wouldnt it make sense for SS to have a second thing to forge strikes in?

 

[red91]

Or maybe give SS stealth? I think that would be fair

 

[MZarur]

so do you want a crusader with ugs for 4-5m? lmao.. go play as crusader dude. as is enjoyable and can reach pretty good peaks.

 

[red91]

Well i do think the SS class is very limited dude. I think stealth would be a fair option since crus have blood frenzy, dual swords, slash, stealth, AND stun.

 

[Leba]

But SSs have movement speed, are the only ranged class in the game, better seals than SM and genuinely the highest max once it starts gemming. Also very very cheap, because you virtually need no Kals, and strikings are 4-5m. Each class has its ups and downs, and SSs are just fine.

 

[underdawg]

I agree stealth skill is way unfair,without it cruss are dead meat ,and why is it that cruss cost so much to make?for that very reason,they rule the game,,so now the game has 600 cruss lol and 600 voys to lvl them lol,,naw sorry the stealth skill is unfair and needs to go

 

[underdawg]

so do you want a crusader with ugs for 4-5m? lmao.. go play as crusader dude. as is enjoyable and can reach pretty good peaks.

the game is already overran with cruss lol ,sure everyone make a cruss,its gotten silly stupid

 

[Leba]

I agree stealth skill is way unfair,without it cruss are dead meat ,and why is it that cruss cost so much to make?for that very reason,they rule the game,,so now the game has 600 cruss lol and 600 voys to lvl them lol,,naw sorry the stealth skill is unfair and needs to go

Cruz is about as squishy as SS, the only thing they have without stealth is their slash. You can ignore their stun, attack speed or max, because they can't meele without setting it up, unlike SS.

Let's not forget that TS/Soul Detector completely shuts cruz stealth down.

Why is cruz expensive? Unlike SS, you have to spend around 8-9m on Lusts so you can level normally after lv65, usually forged in crap gear. Their end-game eq costs around 120m clean (just armor and swords), and 20m per UG Rage, plus the need to switch Rings or reset stats later on, because of having to go to crazy extents to get 210 aspd early on.

I'm sorry, but if you already want to whine about class balance, whine about SM, which is in desperate need of some QoL changes.

 

[Radityo Didot]

Or maybe give SS stealth? I think that would be fair

ROSO? Lel

 

[red91]

But SSs have movement speed, are the only ranged class in the game, better seals than SM and genuinely the highest max once it starts gemming. Also very very cheap, because you virtually need no Kals, and strikings are 4-5m. Each class has its ups and downs, and SSs are just fine.

Actually a well-gemmed crusader has a higher max then basically any SS. As far as 'superior' seals that is entirely wrong. We have a skill seal and a cripple. Sm has a skill seal and a MELEE SEAL. And if SS are so good and nothings wrong with them, then why are there so few? Also I understand that crus are pricy, but if SS were actually decent then wouldnt that drive strikings up in value due to the common law of supply and demand? Yes, yes it would.

 

[red91]

Btw 1x slash is equal to 4x critical hits in one attack. So stealth + slash/stun is completely broken compared to slightly more mspd and a couple seals. Stealth for SS would ultimately make things fair.

 

[FinalLegacy]

"slightly more mspd..." SS can probably survive without as much dodge than crus. CA paw alone would make you untouchable to a crus if you have ts. SS fly like you wouldn't believe lol. Even without it I think you underestimate wind walk + mspd neck + buff. However can a crus hit you when you have your seals going lol.

You may argue that Cruses have better damage and better aspd at full build(maybe aspd but I doubt damage), but then again it would cost more that quadruple what you would spend on an SS ever. Even then, Stun can't possibly compare to seals on more situations.

Now lets assume 1v1. Sure, perhaps a crus will dominate an SS with stealth-stun-slash since you don't always have TS. But even if we assume that, Cruses would be nothing more than DPS in most situations(Bossing, team pk). SS are sealers and DPS. Even if we assume SM have better seals than SS, which obviously experienced people in the server say they don't(I assume due to skill pts limitations?), SMs can't possibly compare to SS on DPS and mobility. You can't have the best of both worlds. Every class has its purpose and tbh SS are almost unfairly cheap for how helpful they can be.

Most cruses are probably crus just because that's what they used to be in previous versions of the games and/or because they look the coolest with their dual swords(Arguable) and/or we love being DPS more than support.

If you're complaining because you can't do as much DPS, you picked the wrong class.

 

[Dura Lex]

Lol. Ss are damn strong. They can cripple and seal. And their dmg is high esp when it crits.

 

[Vandal02]

SS dmg growth from acc is slightly higher than crus. however, crus have one extra weapon to forge and will always win dmg competition.

I think the only unfair thing about crus is back stun... and fork. if crus got fork to max out their dual sword mastery, isnt it fair for all other classes to have apparel to max out their mastery skills?
ss --> firegun mastery
champ --> greatsword mastery
magic classes --> dilli and divine grace.

 

[Leba]

Actually a well-gemmed crusader has a higher max then basically any SS. As far as 'superior' seals that is entirely wrong. We have a skill seal and a cripple. Sm has a skill seal and a MELEE SEAL. And if SS are so good and nothings wrong with them, then why are there so few? Also I understand that crus are pricy, but if SS were actually decent then wouldnt that drive strikings up in value due to the common law of supply and demand? Yes, yes it would.

A well-gemmed crusader requires an absurd amount of money. I guarantee that out of those "600" crusaders in the server, very few can go above the highest SS's max.

SS's skill seal is stronger and Cripple is in most situations way more useful than melee seal. Hell, if you cripple someone they probably won't be able to melee at all.(SM melee skill is only better against other SSs if we're looking at the "melee restriction" per se) Great for chasing, kiting and PvE. Let's not forget that SMs in this version are awful because they have no damage on melee seal and no mini-stun on skill seal. And as FinalLegacy said, SM can't compare in terms of speed or DPS to SS.

Let's face it, even if crusaders were awful, the server would still be crawling with them. It's most people's favorite class. Flashy, arguably has the best style in the game, and it's satisfying watching your Crusader progress, it's the class with most visible milestones. Absolutely the most popular class for as long as I can remember (Chuck popularizing them with his slasher build?)

SSs are very reliant on others early on. (Most SSs need taxi in DW till very high level) and that's not something many people enjoy. They're very squishy and the feeling of a cruz popping out and one slashing you at any given time is to many a very unpleasant one.

Lastly, there's skill level to take into account. Though some can argue that SSs are very easy to play as "sealbots" early on, they have a lot of tools at their disposal which require quite a bit of skill (kiting, sealing the right targets, staying safe), so naturally players want to pick a class which is easier to learn. How hard each class becomes to master later on is arguable though.

 

[Vandal02]

Lol. Ss are damn strong. They can cripple and seal. And their dmg is high esp when it crits.

it is lacking of multipliers unfortunately. Cripple is only 1,5x at max lvl. enfee almost no dmg. Headshot arguably the highest damage with chance of BD armor.

 

[PanMilan]

class balance always destroys servers just because a few people don't have the skill required to use a class and want a boost. Stop trying to play alone all the time and you wont have problems about what your class is lacking

but sealmasters really need that mini stun back

 

[NaveenJG]

BOW SS?? D

 

[underdawg]

still the fact is ss need to make or spend money for ts,to even stand a chance,that in itself makes it unfair,and no I'm not bias haha I play all classes,say what you want,cruss in my eyes are still overpowered,what goods any ss large crit without ts? they stun,slash,stealth,and repeat,never stand a chance without ts,>>>>class balance always destroys servers just because a few people don't have the skill required to use a class and want a boost.<<<<lol this is so wrong,from what ive seen servers die from overpowered players ,who wants to train for months only to have some overpowered cruss kill them at every boss?as always cashers win,i get that,i still stand on the point stealth has to go,or give it to everyone