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This condition has become more worse than initially, As always and pointed out by game policies: Account Sharing is strictly prohibited. If you aren't familiar or do not understand why account sharing is prohibited, Please immediately review the game policy right now to understand the policies or risk of facing account closure.

Due to strong rise of botting and more illegal activities, Many players feel they are colossal enough to cheat among community for personal gains, We've always caught and dealt with those players however because some players decided to use smurf (an alternative account or using somebody else's account) to commence illegal activity and trade items/service to main account. When we catch or deal with people who choose to perform illegal activities have almost always returned to play again because their main account did not get banned, and thus we've begun to ban all accounts associated to caught character/account. This means ultimately, if a character bots, we will ban this character's account and this account's relations to other accounts.

Because it's impossible to tell who is which and what kind of relations between account, Which is exactly why it's game policy to never ever enter anybody's else account or allow anybody else enter your account. Otherwise you risk being in relation with other parties and their illegal activities. This is important because if we do not ban all relations, the botters will just keep returning and if we ban all those relations but yet people will come to us and claim "we were just borrowing their buffer" or "we were just playing on their character for fun" and the very same people who actual commit prohibited activities will claim same thing, leaving us into an state where we cannot touch or do anything against the main of botters.

But policy is the absolute. You shall not enter anybody else account/character nor anybody else will, because otherwise everyone will have same fate.
 
So basicly yes, you are allowed to share items or gold, but if you get screwed over and scammed, you won't receive any help.
 
Greetings everyone,

these news have an upside too, botting should be prevented in order to preserve the economy of the game, I couldn't agree more about that.

But Zankza, please, bear in mind that 99% of us are veteran players from ToP. My brother and I were using each other's accounts from day one of the old ToP. You can review every single log of our avatars and you will notice that there is no illegal activity whatsoever but if we are not allowed to do something as trivial as this, then what is the point of continuing to play? We always had one main account and a secondary account, It never really mattered which one of us logs the main/secondary as they both belong to us. We basically play as one person. I don't see how are we hurting the economy/game by doing so given the fact that we aren't botting or doing anything illegal.

Please, for the sake of the community and those of us who have been around this game for a very long, change your attitude towards account sharing. I am sure that we are not the only people who like playing the game this way.

Thank you for your time,
Ardamoz
 
It says clearly:
because otherwise everyone will have same fate.
Which means if either one of you breaks game policy, all of the accounts are suspended.
 
Thanks for such a swift response, Zankza, much appreciated.

I know for a fact that neither one of us will break the game policy in any way but if it ever comes to that, I have absolutely zero issues with both of us losing our accounts. Thank you for your time and the clarification.

Best regards,
Ardamoz
 
For those who wonder why such rules are imposed: It's because people with bad intentions use this as claim "oh that's my brother's account!" when we ban their associated accounts, if we are to exempt the family connections, then everyone will use this as excuse to keep their cache nonperishable.
 
Yes, I can understand that but the truth is that there are situations where that is truly the case, as I stated earlier. We are not new to ToP, we are veterans. Never dealt with any shady activity and we were pretty damn good in the original. Also, we don't intend to use "but that's my brother's account" phrase as a get out of jail free card. If either one of us breaks the rules, by all means, ban us both, no questions asked.

However, I am well aware that people don't shy away from stooping so low so I full well understand why the limitations are in place, all I am saying is that nothing is ever black and white, it's shades of gray (please don't associate this with that abomination of a book/movie).

Best regards,
Ardamoz
 
As a brother mentioned above, I'd like to say that the whole point of an MMO is playing with other people. People sharing accounts should't even be against the rules. They risk their items but at their own risk. The only "bad intention" with account sharing is taking someones items and if someone is stupid enough to give his/her account away to a shady person, then they deserve to be scammed.
As a GM you should try and contribute the game with events, updates and such, not by acting like a dictator.
People in guilds share accounts with each other all the time, helps a lot with the whole "playing with others" thing.

Start thinking about different ways to improve the game, not about other people's stupidity.

The loving brother,
AzGarot <3
 
What part is dictatorial again?

Banning people just because they are sharing their accounts doesn't sound dictatorial?
Be honest with me, does that hurt the server/game? It only hurts the player who was stupid enough to share his accounts with someone he doesn't know. On the other hand when friends/family/guild members share accounts among each other, it only helps the game.
Every now and then a buffer/SS is needed on a boss and I don't see why I couldn't log another players character (If he/she gave me the account) and help the guild out, if that person is unable to login at that certain moment.

Like I've mentioned before, I love the server. The whole hardcore grinding without exp events is amazing. I love the fact that most of the things are acquired within the game and not on the mall. But you should definitely rethink this decision. Hell, start thinking about all the bots and the spammers "Dead server GG", start thinking about the upcoming halloween/xmas/new year and just some random events. Work on the improvement of the community and your player base.

I love the game, it was a huge part of my life before, was a common interest between my brother, our friends and I, but If I can't do something as simple as sharing my accounts with my bro or even a friend, you consider yourself two players less. Keep that attitude and I bet more would follow, it's an online game after all, people are here so they could make friends and play the game. Start telling them how to do it and they will leave.

P.S Check out my post about the bots issue <3

Lots of luv,
AzGarot
 
Well, I can see that you are hellbent on that rule and it really saddens me, as I mentioned earlier, I understand it to an extent but instead of strictly prohibiting account sharing, it should be changed to something along the lines of allowing the players to share accounts but if one person breaks the ToS in any way, they both get banned. As Az pointed out, forget about this whole situation between the two of us (myself and Az being brothers), even though this single rule screws our way of playing ToP (PKO) entirely, there are situations where logging in someone else's account can be very useful for a guild going after a certain boss.

And also, I can't help but think about all the ways pros outweigh the cons. Also, if the main concern is scamming (a player stealing items from another player's accounts), than why do you even care? If they are a moron and allow someone they shouldn't trust login on their account, let them lose the items. As long as you are protected with the ToS clearly stating that any trades between players are final and that any damage which comes as a result of account sharing is not refundable, you are good to go. As for players who are botting, scamming, abusing game mechanics, just ban all of their accounts once caught and call it a day.

What I am saying here is that this rule doesn't even affect the botting/scamming bastards at all, it mostly affects genuine players. Those who are playing this game on your server, enjoy playing it here and, ultimately, making you revenue. Keep in mind that if someone wanted to break the policy and create multiple accounts in order to abuse the game mechanics, they could do so with and without this rule by simply using virtual machines. Computers nowadays are so strong that you can run dozens of virtual machines and they would literally never have to log two avatars from the same virtual machine.

Please, once again, reconsider this rule and alter/dump it. It's counter productive, it affects the gameplay of genuine players in a very negative way and in the end of the day, it doesn't prevent people from exploiting.

Best regards,
Ardamoz
 
I can see that you are hellbent on that rule
We have no way to enforce it, We don't suspend or close accounts, We just close them when disciplinary for other reasons happens.

Let me say it again: I don't go chase players who share their accounts, I don't dig logs to theorize connections between accounts/players, I don't want to know who's using who. But when it comes to disciplinary, I am absolute.

let them lose the items.

This is our way of telling people, You Share, You Lose. Because if I choose to say anything else they will just come up with endless compromises and feel like their situation is special like a snowflake. This rule is very straight forward, You don't go to police to complain your neighbor stole your drugs. Same thing here, You don't come to me and complain your friends stolen items/account from you.

let them lose the items.
Please, once again, reconsider this rule and alter/dump it. It's counter productive, it affects the gameplay of genuine players in a very negative way and in the end of the day, it doesn't prevent people from exploiting.
It doesn't affect players at all, And I know players are sharing (especially guild mates), There's never been single action taken against until other disciplinary reason occurs and then same disciplinary is applied on all "connected" or as I said shared accounts.
 
Zankza, I owe you one big, fat apology mate. When I read the policy, it was my understanding that account sharing is a bannable offense in itself. I apologize for the wall of text up there, it was my misinterpretation of the policy that was the issue here, not the policy itself. As long as you don't ban people simply for logging in on each other's account, all is good. With that said, as mentioned earlier, I have absolutely no issues if I lose my avatar when my brother does something stupid.

P.S. Az, don't do stupid shit!

Thank you for this clarification, Zankza and I apologize for wasting so much of your time.

Best regards,
Ardamoz
 
This remains important element, please review the topic and understand this policy is still under full-force effective.
 
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