Bringing Player, and make Server Fun

[raposaazul]

When i started play in this server, like 1 month ago, i made many friends that was started on the same time than me, or was in the same lvls than me. However, when i saw my friend list this week, many of them stoped to play.
SO THE IDEA IS SIMPLE: make a reputation system, that help new players to achieve lv 41 easier. Furthen on give reputation in game for quest or enter in mirages, this new system gives credits, or somethink like that, for change for itens( Amps, wings, miscelanius or appareal) in game or on website for who lved his disciples.
This thing gonna make game fun for new players, and diferent-or new- option for veterans to get money, and consequently will bring more players to this server...

Besides that, in my opinion, the great legacy of this game is PvP or MvM, THAT NOT EXIST in this server for new or intermediary PLayers, only for high level (65+) who got tons of money, which is too hard to get...PvP bar is the best option for new/intermediary players to get fun on PvP... And It only could be possible when game have many players at same level/ power.

 

[Leba]

SO THE IDEA IS SIMPLE: make a reputation system, that help new players to achieve lv 41 easier. Furthen on give reputation in game for quest or enter in mirages, this new system gives credits, or somethink like that, for change for itens( Amps, wings, miscelanius or appareal) in game or on website for who lved his disciples.

I'm pretty sure that reputation is the most abusable currency in the game, nobody would level new players up, people would shift focus to level their own alts.

This thing gonna make game fun for new players, and diferent-or new- option for veterans to get money, and consequently will bring more players to this server...

So you believe people will be more motivated to play if they reach lv41? As the game goes on, leveling becomes much slower, and lv41+ is no exception to that rule. Let's say that people actually do help newcomers, what then? All we're left with is a bunch of spoiled lv41 people, most of which will quit simply because the game doesn't magically become easier after you reach that "golden" level.

Besides that, in my opinion, the great legacy of this game is PvP or MvM, THAT NOT EXIST in this server for new or intermediary PLayers, only for high level (65+) who got tons of money, which is too hard to get...PvP bar is the best option for new/intermediary players to get fun on PvP... And It only could be possible when game have many players at same level/ power.

PvP/MvM is dead because of 2 simple reasons:
1) It doesn't give any incentive, and for the past few years it was evident that most people's interest for playing was shifted elsewhere.
2) This game doesn't even come close to the massive playerbase which ToP had. Naturally, more people means more intermediate/low-gemmed players, coupled with the mentality back in those days, you'd get a full PvP bar. Something I fear we'll never see here.
I doubt crediting people for helping others get lv41 would change this fact in any way.

 

[Trademark]

I'm pretty sure that reputation is the most abusable currency in the game, nobody would level new players up, people would shift focus to level their own alts.

So by you believe people will be more motivated to play if they reach lv41? As the game goes on, leveling becomes much slower, and lv41+ is no exception to that rule. Let's say that people actually do help newcomers, what then? All we're left with is a bunch of spoiled lv41 people, most of which will quit simply because the game doesn't magically become easier after you reach that "golden" level.

PvP/MvM is dead because of 2 simple reasons:
1) It doesn't give any incentive, and for the past few years it was evident that most people's interest for playing was shifted elsewhere.
2) This game doesn't even come close to the massive playerbase which ToP had. Naturally, more people means more intermediate/low-gemmed players, coupled with the mentality back in those days, you'd get a full PvP bar. Something I fear we'll never see here.
I doubt crediting people for helping others get lv41 would change this fact in any way.

The voice of reason all since other servers i ve played....

 

[raposaazul]

I'm pretty sure that reputation is the most abusable currency in the game, nobody would level new players up, people would shift focus to level their own alts.

So you believe people will be more motivated to play if they reach lv41? As the game goes on, leveling becomes much slower, and lv41+ is no exception to that rule. Let's say that people actually do help newcomers, what then? All we're left with is a bunch of spoiled lv41 people, most of which will quit simply because the game doesn't magically become easier after you reach that "golden" level.

PvP/MvM is dead because of 2 simple reasons:
1) It doesn't give any incentive, and for the past few years it was evident that most people's interest for playing was shifted elsewhere.
2) This game doesn't even come close to the massive playerbase which ToP had. Naturally, more people means more intermediate/low-gemmed players, coupled with the mentality back in those days, you'd get a full PvP bar. Something I fear we'll never see here.
I doubt crediting people for helping others get lv41 would change this fact in any way.

Obviouly people gonna up their alts, thats inevitable, like TOP 1 was, but tell me what is the diference between lvl one alt and other player?? itens that cost 20-30k?....Nahh, if its for HB, the own game will balance their price getting lower their price ...THATS MEAN MORE EASY PLVL.... The diference that gonna happens is when players get lv 41 or more, will have many players at same lvl/ power. This estimulate PvP bar...

PvP Bar never gave me "any incentive"... Players be at PvP for Fun... thats THE INCENTIVE!!!! This is SO FUN!... i spend hours on PvP bar, and didnt get anything...


And yes... get lv 41 Estimulate players...New armors, new skills, new ways to obtain money....tell me how u can get money on low level? RUMs, RUMs, RUMs and more RUMs.... noway... People dont go to PvP on low levels... Cant farm on low level....

And With few players lvl 41+, the "diamond level", they problably want do something.... imagine if PvP bar was full... Obviously everybody who get this lvl would be there.....

This Game need ways to get full of People, and do Credit System is one of it, evidently it doesnt solve all problems, but its a start....

 

[raposaazul]

The voice of reason all since other servers i ve played....

Yes, the Credit System is useless on Server that gives 10X EXP SOLO, 15X PARTY EXP, like all Privates server we've played... But is pretty usefull on Server With low EXP base

 

[Leba]

Obviouly people gonna up their alts, thats inevitable, like TOP 1 was, but tell me what is the diference between lvl one alt and other player?? itens that cost 20-30k?....Nahh, if its for HB, the own game will balance their price getting lower their price ...THATS MEAN MORE EASY PLVL.... The diference that gonna happens is when players get lv 41 or more, will have many players at same lvl/ power.

Obviously you don't know that you can get around 2m (if not a bit more) per each full party of alts you get to lv41. I'd cash those 2m in rather than help someone out who will most likely be ungrateful and end up quitting.

PvP Bar never gave me "any incentive"... Players be at PvP for Fun... thats THE INCENTIVE!!!! This is SO FUN!... i spend hours on PvP bar, and didnt get anything...

Yes, it was fun with lots of people and while a different atmosphere was around. Not to mention, skill and action tweak made me despise PvP bar. They ruined the whole PK, but Bar was heavily damaged when those got popular. Not the same anymore.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but most people aim for a higher level of gear where they can PK where most "strong" people are at. Sadly, staying at PvP bar and PKing with people around your level is, in this situation, not the best way to reach that. People want to rush the end-game content as quickly as possible. Props to the exceptions. The mentality is just not the same.

And yes... get lv 41 Estimulate players...New armors, new skills, new ways to obtain money....tell me how u can get money on low level? RUMs, RUMs, RUMs and more RUMs.... noway... People dont go to PvP on low levels... Cant farm on low level....

And With few players lvl 41+, the "diamond level", they problably want do something.... imagine if PvP bar was full... Obviously everybody who get this lvl would be there.....

Your original post said that this was supposed to be a new option for veterans to get money and make newbies' lives easier because veterans would help them out, now you're suddenly at money making for newbies. Don't see the relation here.
I wholeheartedly support ideas which help newbies make money, especially people who are non-mallers, but this seems like something which would benefit higher level people more than newbies in multiple aspects.

This Game need ways to get full of People, and do Credit System is one of it, evidently it doesnt solve all problems, but its a start....

There's currently an Award Center system being created, called "Honor For Pirates".

Don't get me wrong, I'm all up for creating diverse money-making ways for people who are not heavy mallers or mallers at all and helping new people out with leveling and earning their first big sums of gold, but I think your idea would simply be abused. Leveling disciples up to 41 is already very rewarding but a very cheesy way of earning money, adding a bonus to it would further amplify its negative sides.

Other than that, you keep mentioning Bar. It's sadly nowhere near where it once was (Fewer people, fewer low/mid-tier people, tweaks), so from what I've seen people tend to get saturated from it fairly quickly. Meanwhile mazes like DW, BD and CA have a lot more depth, teamwork and strategy involved, which is why they're the main focus of attention for people at the moment. And I think getting more people to the level where they can compete in those mazes, saturating the older, bored players in the process should be top priority. Hopefully the HoP and guild updates do the server good.

 

[raposaazul]

My friend, If all u said is true i dont know why u keep be in this website, or playing this game...
Nah... im talking with people who want to get better this game, not with people who think is the "Doctor of PKO"...
What u want is try to be considered the "Mr inteligent?" like posting this:

Your original post said that this was supposed to be a new option for veterans to get money and make newbies' lives easier because veterans would help them out, now you're suddenly at money making for newbies. Don't see the relation here.
I wholeheartedly support ideas which help newbies make money, especially people who are non-mallers, but this seems like something which would benefit higher level people more than newbies in multiple aspects.

What u are doing called Sofism, only disagree and try to winnig one argue...
You dont see the positive ways, disagree with new ideas, and sayng " your truths"...?? .
Credit system will add one more, in this little universe, way to get money. to people who dont want to waste their real money... I really dont know , and chalange you to say, many ways to get money in game at the beging .... After second class advanced, lv41+, the "golden level", many ways of farm, and get money easier appear, and dont need be intelectual on PKO to know this...

Other than that, you keep mentioning Bar. It's sadly nowhere near where it once was (Fewer people, fewer low/mid-tier people, tweaks), so from what I've seen people tend to get saturated from it fairly quickly. Meanwhile mazes like DW, BD and CA have a lot more depth, teamwork and strategy involved, which is why they're the main focus of attention for people at the moment. And I think getting more people to the level where they can compete in those mazes, saturating the older, bored players in the process should be top priority. Hopefully the HoP and guild updates do the server good.

So your idea is get more people to level where they can compete in those mazes, but forget those maze is useless for who dont hav good equips/ enought money.... Our server have some players lv 69+.but weak equips.. THEY have enought level, but half slash could kill him....SO no, not depends of level....
Credits System will help in double points, people to get level, like u said, and one diferent way to get money, To go to mazes OR go to any PvP place....

Meanwhile mazes like DW, BD and CA have a lot more depth, teamwork and strategy involved,

You sure?? PvP bar could have many diferents strategics, once you know your team and the adversaries one....So your afirmative is totally false...
OTHERWISE, BAR IS INTEGRATION PLACE, THAT NEWBIES OR PRO COULD GO AND WIN PVP... While on Those MAzes u said only PRO could fell fun...

 

[yonocora]

you get 2m for lv dicilpes to 41?? i dont belive so....
Maybe u talk with old TOP1 reputation/credit converte... But the Idea of Credit System is great, changing the tax converte, will be awesome

 

[Leba]

My friend, If all u said is true i dont know why u keep be in this website, or playing this game...
Nah... im talking with people who want to get better this game, not with people who think is the "Doctor of PKO"...
What u want is try to be considered the "Mr inteligent?" like posting this
What u are doing called Sofism, only disagree and try to winnig one argue...
You dont see the positive ways, disagree with new ideas, and sayng " your truths"...?? .

It's far from my intentions to be considered "Mr intelligent" or "Doctor of PKO". I do feel really sorry if that's all that you got out of my post, as it wasn't my intention. I'm still on these forums (and partially in-game) because I care about the server and I want to voice my opinion, as do you. My opinion is that your idea isn't that good, that's all I was saying and clarifying it with my points.

Credit system will add one more, in this little universe, way to get money. to people who dont want to waste their real money... I really dont know , and chalange you to say, many ways to get money in game at the beging .... After second class advanced, lv41+, the "golden level", many ways of farm, and get money easier appear, and dont need be intelectual on PKO to know this...

I already told you that there is an award center (Credits) system being developed at the moment called Honor for Pirates. Whether it uses Reputation or not is far beyond me, as no concrete information was given yet. Besides that, what you're saying about people getting to lv41 and having an easier time making money... it does get easier, but it still requires A LOT of work to succeed. Clearly, if someone is willing to put in a lot of work in order to climb the ladder, then why would something as simple as lvling to 41 be a problem to them?

So your idea is get more people to level where they can compete in those mazes, but forget those maze is useless for who dont hav good equips/ enought money.... Our server have some players lv 69+.but weak equips.. THEY have enought level, but half slash could kill him....SO no, not depends of level....
Credits System will help in double points, people to get level, like u said, and one diferent way to get money, To go to mazes OR go to any PvP place....

By level, I didn't literally mean their character level, obviously. I meant it in terms of both character level and proper gear to match it.

You sure?? PvP bar could have many diferents strategics, once you know your team and the adversaries one....So your afirmative is totally false...
OTHERWISE, BAR IS INTEGRATION PLACE, THAT NEWBIES OR PRO COULD GO AND WIN PVP... While on Those MAzes u said only PRO could fell fun...

Clearly the fact that most people go to mazes instead of going to bar (I'm talking about the high equipped people as well) means that people want... Bar... Okay.

you get 2m for lv dicilpes to 41?? i dont belive so....
Maybe u talk with old TOP1 reputation/credit converte... But the Idea of Credit System is great, changing the tax converte, will be awesome

Each character that gets to lv41 and has a mentor gets 200k. If that's your characters, and it's a full party, that's 800k. If you promote them to SS and get star of unity, selling the Guns and all other gear results in, I believe over 500k per character. So yes, 500k*4=2m. So it's already rewarding enough to level your own alts instead of helping others, as I said, no need to amplify such a cheesy tactic.

I'm going to break it down real simple, once again, why I feel like this is a bad idea, consider it a summary from my previous posts (From a perspective of a player that cares about the future of this server, not from the perspective of someone who wants to be known as "Doctor PKO" as you call it.):

1. Reputation is an abusable currency which was aimed at people helping eachother, but every server that has rewards for collecting Reputation sees people use their own alts instead of helping newbs. (Yes, even old ToP which had the Rep->Creds system). Leveling your own alts already has insanely bigger value than helping others, reputation or no reputation.
2. If you think that people suddenly gain a spark of motivation once they hit lv41, you're mistaken. Perhaps a small motivation boost, but if someone has the will to work, they'll reach lv41 on their own.
3. (For the fourth time) a system similar to yours (but hopefully nowhere near as abusable) is already in development.

I rest my case.

 

[tenko5]

you get 2m for lv dicilpes to 41?? i dont belive so....
Maybe u talk with old TOP1 reputation/credit converte... But the Idea of Credit System is great, changing the tax converte, will be awesome

u dont belive?..move ur ass and do not say it...1 ss char can give u 500k per char..at lvl 41...
if u just a lazy ass who wanted easy game..dont play pko... trust me...i hv lvl alot player ..and stilll..those spoiled brat dosent even go to lvl 42...just 1 or 2 or love pko the way it is now got higher..others?..pm ask for plvl...begging for it...

get ur self lvlup kid...it's not fun if it's easy to get...

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