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[Shinon12345]

Sadly, I agree. Have to find honest people then. And there's no honest people on the internet kids, remember that!

Can agree to that.

 

[Radagast]

Also what do you think you'll achieve in 5 minutes of walking? you aren't going to find anybody if you can only teleport and you're slow as fck.
You'd have to run around all 3 main maps several times a day and I promise with a char only able to teleport and nothing else, you'll take much longer than 5 minutes.
#movespeed-5

Wouldnt have to run around main maps. There isn't many places where botting really is worth it...

 

[Shinon12345]

Wouldnt have to run around main maps. There isn't many places where botting really is worth it...

Even if you are only botting ice cream or some other "potion" that sells for a couple thousand a stack some people might find it attractive enough to start up their botting characters.

 

[Radagast]

Even if you are only botting ice cream or some other "potion" that sells for a couple thousand a stack some people might find it attractive enough to start up their botting characters.

yes, but they couldn't get super huge advantage in time while anyone else notices them. if they will bot for like few hours in places like these and then they are noticed, it's nothing TOO serious. However, 2h in smugglers with 3 chars makes superhuge difference.

 

[Edd1993]

Ok guys stop with this bullshit " if he does that than you can use that program and bla bla bla". If we take things like this there is no end to it. There is always a possibility to cheat your way around in games. That's not what we are talking about. We are talking about eliminating the easy way that everyone would abuse, hence damage the server. And from my experience, for the ToP players if you take out their ability to use WPE pro and auto attack, also ban anyone that is found using macro on champ, ALL the boting activity stops.

And in some rare ocasions if some guy still cheats his way around, he will get banned. end of story.

 

[MixSound]

The different with botting is that make a lot of in-game gold in a fastest/easy way instead with a "normal" method of making in-game gold who can wait for a long period of time, so obviously people will prefer the easy way, that's inevitable and what some people here can't understand.

Also with botting is a fast way to get a lot of in-game gold in the server in a short period of time which is good at some point.

Saying this i'm not supporting the botting way, it just at some point is necessary and later isn't necessary anymore and should be punished of course.

 

[Edd1993]

The different with botting is that make a lot of in-game gold in a fastest/easy way instead with a "normal" method of making in-game gold who can wait for a long period of time, so obviously people will prefer the easy way, that's inevitable and what some people here can't understand.

Also with botting is a fast way to get a lot of in-game gold in the server in a short period of time which is good at some point.

There is nothing good with botting. End of story. Only damage comes from botting. End of story. The in game gold should come from doing in game acitvity, not from afk-ing your way to the top. That's not how games are supposed to be played.

 

[Radagast]

The different with botting is that make a lot of in-game gold in a fastest/easy way instead with a "normal" method of making in-game gold who can wait for a long period of time, so obviously people will prefer the easy way, that's inevitable and what some people here can't understand.

Also with botting is a fast way to get a lot of in-game gold in the server in a short period of time which is good at some point.

Saying this i'm not supporting the botting way, it just at some point is necessary and later isn't necessary anymore and should be punished of course.

How botting can be necessary? You think like a way for new people to catch up? Get fast gold? Only the strongest people in server will bot. Because botting will make them the strongest ones, lol.

I still think that making auto-skill cooltime 1min and baning anyone who's using 3rd party program is the best and only solution right now.

 

[Edd1993]

How botting can be necessary? You think like a way for new people to catch up? Get fast gold? Only the strongest people in server will bot. Because botting will make them the strongest ones, lol.

I still think that making auto-skill cooltime 1min and baning anyone who's using 3rd party program is the best and only solution right now.

Botting will never be "necessary", even more in the server start, that's when it does the most damage, when nobody has money, the botters will get everything. Anyway, talking about logic with this MixSound guy doesn't seem to work. He only knows that he will lose his precious and his only way to survive in this server and he keeps fighting for it without thinking about the server as a whole.

And yes, nerfing auto skill and banning everyone that uses some workaround would solve our botting problem.

 

[MixSound]

How botting can be necessary?

at some point of this topic staying "afk farming" and "botting" are the same so...

You think like a way for new people to catch up? Get fast gold? Only the strongest people in server will bot.

What are you talking about? only people with good PC can bot hard as top. it doesn't need to be a "strongest" player.

I still think that making auto-skill cooltime 1min and baning anyone who's using 3rd party program is the best and only solution right now.

No, that's not the solution, why? because when you're banning an alt, the person don't give a sh1t about that and create another account to lvl up, so nope.

The in game gold should come from doing in game acitvity, not from afk-ing your way to the top. That's not how games are supposed to be played.

lol, do you think people with 10 years old will playing this server? Do you think if you say to some guy: "hey stop botting, i will tell ur mom" is gonna work, go back to narnia.

Botting will never be "necessary", even more in the server start, that's when it does the most damage, when nobody has money, the botters will get everything. Anyway, talking about logic with this MixSound guy doesn't seem to work. He only knows that he will lose his precious and his only way to survive in this server and he keeps fighting for it without thinking about the server as a whole.

LOL you are the one who's not talking in a logic way, do you think is going to be so easy to stop botting and cheats in that easy way you are talking? welcome to the real world bro, i'm talking in a realistic way, you're only saying: "fck off, do something to ppl to no stay afk outside argent"

 

[Edd1993]

at some point of this topic staying "afk farming" and "botting" are the same so...



What are you talking about? only people with good PC can bot hard as top. it doesn't need to be a "strongest" player.



No, that's not the solution, why? because when you're banning an alt, the person don't give a sh1t about that and create another account to lvl up, so nope.



lol, do you think people with 10 years old will playing this server? Do you think if you say to some guy: "hey stop botting, i will tell ur mom" is gonna work, go back to narnia.



LOL you are the one who's not talking in a logic way, do you think is going to be so easy to stop botting and cheats in that easy way you are talking? welcome to the real world bro, i'm talking in a realistic way, you're only saying: "fck off, do something to ppl to no stay afk outside argent"

Won't even bother to come up with an answer. Useless.

We have already stated the important facts, I'm sure zankza is aware by now and will take action to stop this from happening. Have a nice day.

 

[MixSound]

Won't even bother to come up with an answer. Useless.

Are you seeing the posts on this? i'm sorry if you are a little blind.

A better way to attack an enemy is by his weakness, exposing every hole from some replies it can be good to think in some corrections about having a way to prevent botting, just that.

And are not you ashamed to say that? i can't respect someone who say those words when he says:

3. As I said, people can open up to 30 clients, I am one of them, the moment zankza gives permision for magma botting, I'll be the first to put my chars farming.

Won't even bother to come up with an answer? Useless...

 

[Radagast]

Are you seeing the posts on this? i'm sorry if you are a little blind.

A better way to attack an enemy is by his weakness, exposing every hole from some replies it can be good to think in some corrections about having a way to prevent botting, just that.

And are not you ashamed to say that? i can't respect someone who say those words when he says:


Won't even bother to come up with an answer? Useless...

Dude, I'm seriously worried your posts will give me cancer.

Is there a way to block people on these forums? @Zankza

 

[Hillarien]

For those who keep asking for my "answer":

There are solutions already, even better solutions created by players, but applying solutions without letting problem arise first is just looking for more problems.

Botting is very relative term, they are not entirely so bad, we already have meteorite and fortune tree which will allow you to chop/mine 24/7 which is "afk-bonus" as some players felt you shouldn't be able, but we do have it. Why should those magma, auto-attack, conch be any different? The answer would be the benefit/cost ratio, what does it benefit to whole server and how does it cost the server as whole as well? Seeing how this is hardcore, I feel like those things are only last few things for MOST of players able to rely on.

That being said I could be very wrong, which is why I am not taking any concrete actions but will vouch that I am here to make quick responses, including preparing various solutions in ahead of time so should one become perfect patch, it would be not very long to apply then. I'm just waiting to see more that's all. I won't ban anybody right away, I won't make drastic changes without opening a topic, gathering people's constructive comments first.

Il tell you exactly why not.
You are a lvl 8 newbie. Want to farm some sheeps? too bad magma bullet bot is here, you won't be able to do anything there.
Smugglers? Yetis? squids? Pretty much everything? Magma bullet bots there. Combined together it look so ugly and create a feeling of fraud and uneasiness. Could be just me, but i hardly belive that anyone will find that picture beatifull. Any realative good spots to farm for voyagers are taken by bots. Sure, voys can still ks it, but if they are a bit too slow and it could be too late, some mobs have low hp.

Maybe it never happened on ToP servers to THAT extent, there were many servers after all, but on Russian ofi where there was 2 normal servers for a long time before more were added, it was exactly like that after few years.
If we take into consideration that computers became more powerfull and you can open more and more clients... Yeah it going to be pretty bad.

So yeah, it does not exactly ruin the game by numbers it ruin it's enviroment and ruin motivation and fun of manual farming. It is very different to trees of fortune and meteorite.

 

[Zankza]

Is there a way to block people on these forums?

 

[Radagast]

Thank you.

 

[Leba]

Well, I have to agree with what the loud majority says here. Disabling auto-casting after 1 minute and banning players who use 3rd party programs to bot with a few-strike policy seems like the best solution for now.

What I do want to comment on is that I don't like the fact that Zankza is waiting for the problem to arise. Things such as those need to be fixed BEFORE the game is launched. Although I highly agree that we can't really know for sure what will happen in-game with 99% of the things which may have been suggested, botting is real, and botting is a problem. If people are given an easy way to success, which only requires being AFK, having a few characters, and with all of that STILL be able to make more money than someone who's actively farming for hours and hours a day? I'm pretty sure anyone with even half a brain would take that opportunity right away.

So, there's no need to wait. The saying "Prevention is better than the cure" does make sense. Why wait for the problem to arise and THEN start solving it? Isn't it better to take precautions BEFORE the problem arises and possibly damages the game? @Zankza

 

[Zankza]

Isn't it better to take precautions BEFORE the problem arises and possibly damages the game?

The fact this topic exists and members collaborating with ideas and facts IS the precautions. Altering game-play is permanent unlike discussing and democratizing opinions which is temporary.

 

[Leba]

The fact this topic exists and members collaborating with ideas and facts IS the precautions. Altering game-play is permanent unlike discussing and democratizing opinions which is temporary.

Well, I suppose I didn't make myself too clear in that case. As a summary of my post, I think you should ready a solution for botting IN-GAME before the server gets launched. Yes, it may seem a bit odd, because it's better to wait and see, that much I agree with, BUT, botting is something which will be a problem no matter what. The thing is, it won't be for the first few days. It will take people a while to make so many game accounts, characters, and level them all to 40 and etc. So until multiple players are able to do so, and botting really starts to take its toll, the first few players which may not have had such an impact will have already gained a massive advantage.

That's merely an example. Again, as had been said in this thread countless times, botting is a problem, and it's very real. Even if AFKing was about half as effective than farming for a few hours a day with 1 char, people would still do it. Fortune Tree and Meteorite don't give a big advantage, and as someone said in an earlier post, it's quite luck-based. Fortune/Prosp packets will be one of the few ways to get HBs/CBs outside of the mall (at a very small rate), and Meteorite, which requires a special tool to be harvested, that has a small chance to give a ref from one of the items you obtain there.

Anyway, back to botting. I believe that the majority of the players is AGAINST it, and you shouldn't wait around for too long for it to become a problem for the server, and make that 'permanent' solution as soon as possible.

 

[MZarur]

omg, game didn't launched and ppl is already complaining about bots. isn't better we wait the server starts and then we see what is needed and what is not?