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[Radagast]

I think if the word spreads that botting is a thing on this server many people will not consider playing here just because of this fact.
So I think that in itself is the biggest damage that could possibly happen.

Yep! If I ever encountered a server where botting is allowed and where it makes such a huge impact like in this one, I would never even think of joining it, even if I could bot myself, because I'd understand that there would be people with way too much advantage in server already.

In a post somewhere in this thread someone said that there could be a time limit. When said time limit is reached the character stops his auto skill.

I believe I was the one who proposed this idea. And it might work the best for this situation in my opinion, because -

1. We can't delete auto-attacking at all. Auto-recover, auto-conch, auto-heal are skills which are superb with this auto-skilling availability and it would ruin gameplay so much if we did.

2. If it would be possible to make auto-skilling happen for 1min, that would work the best. 1min of auto-healing is enough for that PK moment where you must auto-heal someone to end. Same applies to auto-conch and auto-recover. People can just re-use auto-heal etc. when it finishes. However, botting would be stopped for good, as pretty much noone would like to check all of his alts each minute to make sure they are still auto-skilling. In meantime, botting should not be allowed by server rules, so if anyone still tries to bot and someone notices it, they can report to GM and GM could delete that alt with all the items/money it has on it at that exact moment. I believe this would be enough to prevent botting in this server and that it is the best option out there, because changing droprates or monster drops would deny players who want to actively farm these places, which would be really wrong.

Only question yet is - Is it possible to make auto-skill be used for limited amount of time? @Zankza

 

[MixSound]

You could make something like auto attack function to only last a couple mins or so, that would fix it without any consequences

In a post somewhere in this thread someone said that there could be a time limit. When said time limit is reached the character stops his auto skill.

That's pointless, there are some programs who can click/press the buttons after some period of time, even if Zankza detects it, there is a probability that another program appears

 

[Shinon12345]

so if anyone still tries to bot and someone notices it, they can report to GM and GM could delete that alt with all the items/money it has on it at that exact moment. I believe this would be enough to prevent botting @Zankza

If we are able to report to GM and he will only delete the character with what he's got on him, I think that to be too little punishing becuase he would only lose what he would have earned this day of botting and he would be able to keep all he made before.
Also it's not punishing enough in a sense of preventing him from further botting.

 

[Radagast]

That's pointless, there are some programs who can click/press the buttons after some period of time, even if Zankza detects it, there is a probability that another program appears

You just ruined my plan, my hopes and dreams lol.

Except! If we could have a rule that using 3rd party program would result in ban. Then noone could use any of those programs.

 

[Shinon12345]

That's pointless, there are some programs who can click/press the buttons after some period of time, even if Zankza detects it, there is a probability that another program appears

I believe it's quite challenging for a software to reactivate it for several clients ? I'm not familiar with it so correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Radagast]

If we are able to report to GM and he will only delete the character with what he's got on him, I think that to be too little punishing becuase he would only lose what he would have earned this day of botting and he would be able to keep all he made before.
Also it's not punishing enough in a sense of preventing him from further botting.

Well, he could also check logs and IP adress and if anything like that happens again.. ban the player I guess. Idk. I really don't have any better idea than this time limit thingie. I think it could work.

 

[Zankza]

OK please stop saying this server allows botting, We will be not endorsing botting, They are of course against the rules. This topic is about how what is the best way to deal with botters. Most of official games usually have some tiered system, Where they give out warning, Temporary suspensions, Modifications to account/character before more permanent result set in such as character deletion or account suspension. Now, I run the server alone, And officials had full team working everyday and STILL yet failed to contain the botting problem. And in older experience, I found suspending, removing, altering to be ineffective, Which is why I am seeking for more concrete effective changes, but everything about it would ultimately change the game playing experience.

The closest I can do today is to make auto-cast automatically disable in range of 5 to 15 minutes and use GM powers to chase those otherwise botters with some three-strike policy.

 

[MixSound]

Except! If we could have a rule that using 3rd party program would result in ban. Then noone could use any of those programs.

Do you think people who can open 30-50 clients would be suffering with that? xD

I believe it's quite challenging for a software to reactivate it for several clients ? I'm not familiar with it so correct me if I'm wrong.

There's one called click recorder or something like that, try to search on google, google is our friend

 

[Radagast]

OK please stop saying this server allows botting, We will be not endorsing botting, They are of course against the rules. This topic is about how what is the best way to deal with botters. Most of official games usually have some tiered system, Where they give out warning, Temporary suspensions, Modifications to account/character before more permanent result set in such as character deletion or account suspension. Now, I run the server alone, And officials had full team working everyday and STILL yet failed to contain the botting problem. And in older experience, I found suspending, removing, altering to be ineffective, Which is why I am seeking for more concrete effective changes, but everything about it would ultimately change the game playing experience.

The closest I can do today is to make auto-cast automatically disable in range of 5 to 15 minutes and use GM powers to chase those otherwise botters with some three-strike policy.

Any chance to make auto-cast disabled after 1min, not 5, not 15? It wouldn't hurt anyone else, only botters really.

 

[Shinon12345]

Well I know something like "Ghost Mouse" or whatever its called, but my point is, recording actions for several accounts might be very inaccurate and therefore challenging to keep it up for a longer period of time.

 

[Shinon12345]

OK please stop saying this server allows botting, We will be not endorsing botting, They are of course against the rules. This topic is about how what is the best way to deal with botters. Most of official games usually have some tiered system, Where they give out warning, Temporary suspensions, Modifications to account/character before more permanent result set in such as character deletion or account suspension. Now, I run the server alone, And officials had full team working everyday and STILL yet failed to contain the botting problem. And in older experience, I found suspending, removing, altering to be ineffective, Which is why I am seeking for more concrete effective changes, but everything about it would ultimately change the game playing experience.

The closest I can do today is to make auto-cast automatically disable in range of 5 to 15 minutes and use GM powers to chase those otherwise botters with some three-strike policy.

Sounds good, except 3 strikes is too much, I believe 2 strikes, with the 2nd being the legal action, is more than enough, for players don't actually need a "Reminder" that botting is not permitted.

 

[MixSound]

Well, he could also check logs and IP adress and if anything like that happens again.. ban the player I guess. Idk. I really don't have any better idea than this time limit thingie. I think it could work.

IP changer and ta-da! the botting guy will be in action in a few minutes

The closest I can do today is to make auto-cast automatically disable in range of 5 to 15 minutes and use GM powers to chase those otherwise botters with some three-strike policy.

This is something for a future, the only way (to me) to try to stop botting is hiring GM's and search for multiples accounts who are botting.
Also ban to the MAC address directly in the router (that would be a pain in the @ss to guys who doesn't know how to change an ip mac address)

 

[Radagast]

Also, as you will be GMing this server alone (I guess),,maybe you could get some HD's? Like policemen of server, lol? I mean, if you could make that only GM function they can use is teleport, also make them unable to trade anyone, some people probably would be ready to ''patrol'' these botting places. Then they report it to you as soon as possible so you can investigate it. Because sometimes people just randomly playing could see someone botting and not give a shit, or it might happen that noone really walks into that zone for quite some time. These HD's could be just regular active players with no other rights than teleporting, so they couldn't screw up anything. I wouldn't mind checking the server for 5mins each 2h or so when I'm playing if that helps the server.

 

[Deleted 66]

Lmao these people writing 300 word paragraphs. Chill dude.
Thing is simple, ban the botted ACCOUNT. A lvl 40 SS/Champ is not easy to lvl up. So it will be hard for botters to gain profit from botting, since the time invested into botting wouldnt pay off. (Since that account would get banned)

 

[Shinon12345]

Also, as you will be GMing this server alone (I guess),,maybe you could get some HD's? Like policemen of server, lol? I mean, if you could make that only GM function they can use is teleport, also make them unable to trade anyone, some people probably would be ready to ''patrol'' these botting places. Then they report it to you as soon as possible so you can investigate it. Because sometimes people just randomly playing could see someone botting and not give a shit, or it might happen that noone really walks into that zone for quite some time. These HD's could be just regular active players with no other rights than teleporting, so they couldn't screw up anything. I wouldn't mind checking the server for 5mins each 2h or so when I'm playing if that helps the server.

No player should have any power close to the level of a GM.

Edit: Does not mean I'm against some kind of "police patrol", however, those officers should not carry any guns with them. We all know how that can end.

 

[Radagast]

No player should have any power close to the level of a GM.

Did you read all of my message? That would be naked newbie character who couldn't pick up things or trade anyone or kill anything. Just teleporting to check if spot is beeing botted atm. Basically just existing in server lol. Nothing he can do, no way he can change anything in gameplay.

Edit. I'm proposing this to be some of the players, because hiring HD's would probably ask to pay them something, while players, who would be online anyway, probably wouldn't mind checking for 2mins to be sure server they put their time and money in doesn't get ruined because of some morons abusing rules.

 

[MixSound]

Lmao these people writing 300 word paragraphs. Chill dude.
Thing is simple, ban the botted ACCOUNT. A lvl 40 SS/Champ is not easy to lvl up. So it will be hard for botters to gain profit from botting, since the time invested into botting wouldnt pay off. (Since that account would get banned)

You are right, but that's in the beginning and what happens when the server is running after a 4/5 months? leveling will be easy to some veteran players and it wouldn't be a problem

 

[Shinon12345]

And I believe you underestimate teleporting.
He might be used for spying or other advantages, there's plenty of ways to abuse the slightest bit of power.

 

[Shinon12345]

Also, as you will be GMing this server alone (I guess),,maybe you could get some HD's?

Also what do you think you'll achieve in 5 minutes of walking? you aren't going to find anybody if you can only teleport and you're slow as fck.
You'd have to run around all 3 main maps several times a day and I promise with a char only able to teleport and nothing else, you'll take much longer than 5 minutes.
#movespeed-5

 

[Radagast]

And I believe you underestimate teleporting.
He might be used for spying or other advantages, there's plenty of ways to abuse the slightest bit of power.

Sadly, I agree. Have to find honest people then. And there's no honest people on the internet kids, remember that!