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[Hillarien]

Yep. That's what I proposed. However, noone can deny that auto-magma is super abusable, even though it's made like that from the scratch. As I mentioned before, maybe there is a way to make ''auto-attack'' and ''auto-skills'' work for short duration of time only? Like 3-5mins? Then they would cancel action? Would that be possible and what do you say about this idea? @Zankza

Please, there so much software that emulate exactly what player do, there won't be much ways to detect it. I hope WPE PRO will be detected but the automation soft, hmm, not really.

It would be cool though, if you would not ban bots imidietly. Look the trace of gold and loot where it going to, and then freaking ban with a permaban mac adress or something and additionally all of their accounts, characters. Players could post screenshot when they see bot and gm could check logs to see if they were botting or not.
That would work much better but will require personal time from GM.

 

[Deleted 66]

Please, this gm team knows how to catch bots and they are familiar with them. When it comes to catching bots, these are the guys.
So don't worry about bots.

 

[Edd1993]

Zankza, you must state clearly if it's ok or not to farm with the in game auto attack function, magma, ray etc. In this kind of server many people including me will be tempted to make alt accounts to farm stuffs on auto attack unless you say clear that it'a a banable offense

 

[Zankza]

Zankza, you must state clearly if it's ok or not to farm with the in game auto attack function, magma, ray etc. In this kind of server many people including me will be tempted to make alt accounts to farm stuffs on auto attack unless you say clear that it'a a banable offense

Officials sure made it clear botting was prohibited but they also were clear about enforcing it too, so the question is did bot hurt the game? for all we know it brought more activity and made people actually committed to playing the game cause they can "bot". I think I will perform the similar characteristics to officials where we will broadcast and warn regarding botting however will not use any such autonomous system to ban/suspend. Instead rely on old fashioned report, and GM comes to check.

 

[Radagast]

Officials sure made it clear botting was prohibited but they also were clear about enforcing it too, so the question is did bot hurt the game? for all we know it brought more activity and made people actually committed to playing the game cause they can "bot". I think I will perform the similar characteristics to officials where we will broadcast and warn regarding botting however will not use any such autonomous system to ban/suspend. Instead rely on old fashioned report, and GM comes to check.

GM comes and checks and realizes someone is botting - What does GM do?

 

[Brother]

This is the last known official PKO/PKO2 game rules and how they dealt with them when they got caught.
AFK farmer (auto magma, auto conch) fall under number 4 category.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110826022313/http://www.piratekingonline.com/1gamerule.php

Just giving an idea.
TOP/PKO player base is not growing, permanent ban just kill the player base and the game faster.

 

[Edd1993]

That's what we want to know. A clear statement. Player A leaves his SS alt over night to auto magma, player B sees him and "reports" him to you. You go and give him a pm, he is indeed afk. What do you do ? Jail the char for a period of time ? Jail that char forever ? Ban that account ? Track and ban all the accounts of the player that is abusing ? This is what we need to know. How will you approch this ?

 

[MixSound]

There's no need to change the "auto-skill" because is something it was there as part of the game (i think). Now, what it should be banned/transported/or whatever is the auto-bot thing like the auto-howl, the howl can't be an auto-skill, there's no need like a captcha or like auto-skill for 5 mins only, because that is something added and not from the original.

 

[PanMilan]

LOL what is wrong with this community... botting will kill this games whole aspect of being hardcore :L
There should be measures taken against botting so people cant abuse things! not just a simple warning because this has a negative effect.. lol like to be honest it makes me want to bot myself since no punishment will happen.

 

[Edd1993]

Still no clear answer from zankza regarding the use of in game auto skills. My opinion on this subject is that something should be done, either you take out all the ways of earning something with auto attack, either you allow everyone to abuse it. For example mordo hard has disabled the function of auto collecting items, hence made botting/ magma abuse etc useless. The thing is we are not in 2007 anymore, when people had potatoes PCs and most of them could barely run 2 clients. Now we have people that can open up to 30 clients or more if proven worthy, so if something isn't done about the auto attack function, there will be an SS farming in all the spots that are worth something. And no, sp will not be a problem. As it has been stated above, pure spr ss can do the job very well, also there are SP recovery necks.

So zankza, you either give us a YES on the SS magma thing and you accept the consequences: inflated economy, big imba between the ppl with high end PCs and the ones on the other side, possible many people that have low end PCs will quit because they will see things unfair.

Or you remove the possibility of farming by auto attack for everyone. There's no need to ban people, if you don't want us to bot, remove the auto collect function or do something else that will cut down the auto attack abuse, nobody will get banned, nobody will be able to earn things in an unfair way. Because let's face it, if you don't remove it, even if you state clearly that you are going to ban people that are going to afk farm, people are still going to do it, hence you will have to ban some, hence the server will lose some players. So it just makes sense to me that if you don't want us to do it, you should remove the possibility.

 

[MixSound]

Still no clear answer from zankza regarding the use of in game auto skills. My opinion on this subject is that something should be done, either you take out all the ways of earning something with auto attack, either you allow everyone to abuse it. For example mordo hard has disabled the function of auto collecting items, hence made botting/ magma abuse etc useless. The thing is we are not in 2007 anymore, when people had potatoes PCs and most of them could barely run 2 clients. Now we have people that can open up to 30 clients or more if proven worthy, so if something isn't done about the auto attack function, there will be an SS farming in all the spots that are worth something. And no, sp will not be a problem. As it has been stated above, pure spr ss can do the job very well, also there are SP recovery necks.

So zankza, you either give us a YES on the SS magma thing and you accept the consequences: inflated economy, big imba between the ppl with high end PCs and the ones on the other side, possible many people that have low end PCs will quit because they will see things unfair.

Or you remove the possibility of farming by auto attack for everyone. There's no need to ban people, if you don't want us to bot, remove the auto collect function or do something else that will cut down the auto attack abuse, nobody will get banned, nobody will be able to earn things in an unfair way. Because let's face it, if you don't remove it, even if you state clearly that you are going to ban people that are going to afk farm, people are still going to do it, hence you will have to ban some, hence the server will lose some players. So it just makes sense to me that if you don't want us to do it, you should remove the possibility.

Wow, so you're proposing is to kill a method of economy i don't know if you really know how economy in PKO/TOP as hard like this server is going to be. Your suggestion is to put a barrier in a way to make an acceptable option of making in-game money and make the economy more stable. IN FACT is more stable to DON'T make a change about auto-skill and auto-collect (the botting of course needs to be stopped) because there will be a good trade balance between hard workers and lazy mallers... try to read an economy book, no offense

For example: Let's say i can't mall a lot, because i don't have the money or whatever but i have a good PC and a good internet connection but also my time for playing pko is limited, so what can i do? simple, make things like manu,craft, and many more. So, my time playing is limited during the day, the only way i can do money is "farming/afking" at the night and in my free time during the day do something to make it profit that time "farming/afking"... So if u propose that "either you take out all the ways of earning something with auto attack" and "has disabled the function of auto collecting items" you are killing me like a player with low resources refering to money (dollar$) to mall.

Another example: I have the money to mall a lot, but i don't wanna make things like flash bombs, carrion balls, etc... What can i do? Buy a lot of manu sh1t to a hard worker afking, that's simple.

Economy is about posibilities

 

[Leba]

a good trade balance between hard workers and lazy mallers

How does leaving several (dozens?) of chars to farm while you're AFK make you a hard worker?

I realize that people are trying to preserve the old/original features from PKO, but some things have changed. As someone said earlier, you couldn't run many clients before, now you can run dozens. And honestly, "botting" would simply ruin the economy. A lot of cash/NSS would flow into the game, and it would make farming cash or anything which you can farm while AFKing pointless.

you are killing me like a player with low resources refering to money (dollar$) to mall.

If, say, I couldn't leave many clients online for a long time while AFKing, then the same thing's applicable. "You're killing me, a player who works hard to get money while actively playing by gaining two times the amount I do simply by leaving clients online while being AFK." This isn't right, it's unhealthy for the game.

 

[MixSound]

As i can see, you're not getting the point, let me reply you...

How does leaving several (dozens?) of chars to farm while you're AFK make you a hard worker?

The "hard worker" part is not about afking, is about to "do something to make it profit that time "farming/afking"" like i said in my previous comment.

A lot of cash/NSS would flow into the game

What you said here is correct, that's the point haha, i don't know why are you trying to negate what are you saying

If, say, I couldn't leave many clients online for a long time while AFKing, then the same thing's applicable. "You're killing me, a player who works hard to get money while actively playing by gaining two times the amount I do simply by leaving clients online while being AFK." This isn't right, it's unhealthy for the game.

Ok, here things changes. Why change? Well because not everybody have a good PC (or even the same pc lol), so i put a random person like an example but of course there will be people with bad pc's, so i assume that your pc can't support a lot of clients and your time in your pc playing pko is to make money/equips/gems or whatever is your method to make money just for you, or for you and some friends, it can't be helped for the global economy of the server

 

[Edd1993]

Wow, so you're proposing is to kill a method of economy i don't know if you really know how economy in PKO/TOP as hard like this server is going to be. Your suggestion is to put a barrier in a way to make an acceptable option of making in-game money and make the economy more stable. IN FACT is more stable to DON'T make a change about auto-skill and auto-collect (the botting of course needs to be stopped) because there will be a good trade balance between hard workers and lazy mallers... try to read an economy book, no offense

For example: Let's say i can't mall a lot, because i don't have the money or whatever but i have a good PC and a good internet connection but also my time for playing pko is limited, so what can i do? simple, make things like manu,craft, and many more. So, my time playing is limited during the day, the only way i can do money is "farming/afking" at the night and in my free time during the day do something to make it profit that time "farming/afking"... So if u propose that "either you take out all the ways of earning something with auto attack" and "has disabled the function of auto collecting items" you are killing me like a player with low resources refering to money (dollar$) to mall.

Another example: I have the money to mall a lot, but i don't wanna make things like flash bombs, carrion balls, etc... What can i do? Buy a lot of manu sh1t to a hard worker afking, that's simple.

Economy is about posibilities

1. You are not supposed to gain things while afk-ing. Be it in game function abuse or 3rd party program , the effect is exactely the same, you gain things that you shouldn't gain.
2. It's not our problem that you can't play as much as the others.
3. As I said, people can open up to 30 clients, I am one of them, the moment zankza gives permision for magma botting, I'll be the first to put my chars farming.
4. What I'm trying to say is that we shouldn't be awarded for not playing the game, we should be awarded for playing actively, creating a nice active pk enviroment for the server, not a server filled with alts farming stuffs and everyone afking.
5. I'm just making this suggestion for the well being of the server, I know that many ppl with low end pcs will quit as soon as we start opening 10-20 SS's and leave them farming shits. It's just unfair for them.

 

[Leba]

The "hard worker" part is not about afking, is about to "do something to make it profit that time "farming/afking"" like i said in my previous comment.

I'm trying, but I can't understand what you're saying here.

What you said here is correct, that's the point haha, i don't know why are you trying to negate what are you saying

It's good that a lot of cash/NSS/blueprints/other items I forgot would flow into the game, but they'd flow in a very unhealthy way which would only benefit those who are able to "abuse" it.

Ok, here things changes. Why change? Well because not everybody have a good PC (or even the same pc lol), so i put a random person like an example but of course there will be people with bad pc's, so i assume that your pc can't support a lot of clients and your time in your pc playing pko is to make money/equips/gems or whatever is your method to make money just for you, or for you and some friends, it can't be helped for the global economy of the server

No, my PC can handle plenty of clients, and I would honestly benefit from leaving AFK farming as-is, but not everyone has a good PC and not everyone can let it on basicly 24/7.
Also, it's not really about advantage/disadvantage, it's about removing the aspect of the server being hardcore in terms of farming. Sure, you'll need to farm other stuff, but if you can get cash and most of the necessities for the early game, then it's no longer hardcore, it just isn't. working hard to obtain money and necessary items is, and I think that's what the server should promote, it shouldn't turn into another alt fiesta like LPO where you're able to make more money by AFKing than someone who grinds several hours a day, simply because your PC may be better in terms of running clients and how long it's able to remain turned on.

 

[Leba]

1. You are not supposed to gain things while afk-ing. Be it in game function abuse or 3rd party program , the effect is exactely the same, you gain things that you shouldn't gain.
2. It's not our problem that you can't play as much as the others.
3. As I said, people can open up to 30 clients, I am one of them, the moment zankza gives permision for magma botting, I'll be the first to put my chars farming.
4. What I'm trying to say is that we shouldn't be awarded for not playing the game, we should be awarded for playing actively, creating a nice active pk enviroment for the server, not a server filled with alts farming stuffs and everyone afking.
5. I'm just making this suggestion for the well being of the server, I know that many ppl with low end pcs will quit as soon as we start opening 10-20 SS's and leave them farming shits. It's just unfair for them.

It's a shame you can hit the Like button only once, because I fully agree with everything you've said.

 

[Hillarien]

Wow, so you're proposing is to kill a method of economy i don't know if you really know how economy in PKO/TOP as hard like this server is going to be. Your suggestion is to put a barrier in a way to make an acceptable option of making in-game money and make the economy more stable. IN FACT is more stable to DON'T make a change about auto-skill and auto-collect (the botting of course needs to be stopped) because there will be a good trade balance between hard workers and lazy mallers... try to read an economy book, no offense

For example: Let's say i can't mall a lot, because i don't have the money or whatever but i have a good PC and a good internet connection but also my time for playing pko is limited, so what can i do? simple, make things like manu,craft, and many more. So, my time playing is limited during the day, the only way i can do money is "farming/afking" at the night and in my free time during the day do something to make it profit that time "farming/afking"... So if u propose that "either you take out all the ways of earning something with auto attack" and "has disabled the function of auto collecting items" you are killing me like a player with low resources refering to money (dollar$) to mall.

Another example: I have the money to mall a lot, but i don't wanna make things like flash bombs, carrion balls, etc... What can i do? Buy a lot of manu sh1t to a hard worker afking, that's simple.

Economy is about posibilities

Method of economy? I can use multiple PCs, even tablet to open so much client instances and flood the whole 3 continents with magma bullet bots. Do you think it is such a great idea? I am not alone like that, i know that.

 

[Edd1993]

Method of economy? I can use multiple PCs, even tablet to open so much client instances and flood the whole 3 continents with magma bullet bots. Do you think it is such a great idea? I am not alone like that, i know that.

Exactly. I can open up to 30 clients overnight, 15 without lag during the day. But what's the purpose of doing this ? What benefit it brings to the server ? None. The players that mall help the server to be online so it's ok for them to have advantage over the others. The players that no life, help the server to be more active, also they are the only reason why mallers mall, if no lifers wouldn't exist, than mallers would have no reason to mall, server would die. Now what good does opening 20 clients ? Server will be way laggier, economy will get fked up, new players that won't be able to run as many clients won't have a chance to buy anything and will quit, etc etc. AFK farming leads only to bad things, I seriously can't find a reason why this should be left untouched. It might have worked well for the 2007 ToP, when most of the people couldn't open many PCs but now it's just ridiculous, also we can't compare the playerbase of ToP in the early days with the playerbase of this server.

 

[MixSound]

Edd1993 dude calm down

1. You are not supposed to gain things while afk-ing. Be it in game function abuse or 3rd party program , the effect is exactely the same, you gain things that you shouldn't gain.

Why i can't gain things while afk-ing? because you say i can't use 100% a "game function"? fck off, you're saying that as your view of point and i respect it but what are you saying is incoherent, for example, there's 2 owners and 2 shops 1 of them is always inside the shop helping their workers and things like that, in the other way the other owner is not inside of his shop, he's at his home and making others things, you are saying that the second owner can't make the same or more amount of money as the first owner? because he "shouldn't gain." that?

2. It's not our problem that you can't play as much as the others.
3. As I said, people can open up to 30 clients, I am one of them, the moment zankza gives permision for magma botting, I'll be the first to put my chars farming.

Is not my problem that you can open 164841 clients and make that, there's always another method of make money like SQ, leveling disciples, even buying your blueprints to make manu things... see?

4. What I'm trying to say is that we shouldn't be awarded for not playing the game, we should be awarded for playing actively, creating a nice active pk enviroment for the server, not a server filled with alts farming stuffs and everyone afking.

This is a bit weird because there's always going to be PK. mazes exist for that reason right? and you are getting awarded by pking in mazes BUT you need to have alts to farm bps to make bombs and other things for pk, i don't get your point here.

5. I'm just making this suggestion for the well being of the server, I know that many ppl with low end pcs will quit as soon as we start opening 10-20 SS's and leave them farming shits. It's just unfair for them.

a person with low pc don't going to be trying to stay afking 1 character because he will see that is not going to worth it, at least that's my point of view (remember that), so there are many ways to make money instead of staying afk.

 

[Edd1993]

Edd1993 dude calm down



Why i can't gain things while afk-ing? because you say i can't use 100% a "game function"? fck off, you're saying that as your view of point and i respect it but what are you saying is incoherent, for example, there's 2 owners and 2 shops 1 of them is always inside the shop helping their workers and things like that, in the other way the other owner is not inside of his shop, he's at his home and making others things, you are saying that the second owner can't make the same or more amount of money as the first owner? because he "shouldn't gain." that?



Is not my problem that you can open 164841 clients and make that, there's always another method of make money like SQ, leveling disciples, even buying your blueprints to make manu things... see?



This is a bit weird because there's always going to be PK. mazes exist for that reason right? and you are getting awarded by pking in mazes BUT you need to have alts to farm bps to make bombs and other things for pk, i don't get your point here.



a person with low pc don't going to be trying to stay afking 1 character because he will see that is not going to worth it, at least that's my point of view (remember that), so there are many ways to make money instead of staying afk.

No reason to reply you, it seems that you just can't think for the well being of the server, you are only thinking about your well being. Anyway, we're waiting for Zankza's answer.