SS

[Leba]

still the fact is ss need to make or spend money for ts,to even stand a chance,that in itself makes it unfair,and no I'm not bias haha I play all classes,say what you want,cruss in my eyes are still overpowered,what goods any ss large crit without ts? they stun,slash,stealth,and repeat,never stand a chance without ts,>>>>class balance always destroys servers just because a few people don't have the skill required to use a class and want a boost.<<<<lol this is so wrong,from what ive seen servers die from overpowered players ,who wants to train for months only to have some overpowered cruss kill them at every boss?as always cashers win,i get that,i still stand on the point stealth has to go,or give it to everyone

God forbid you spend 3k on an item which completely shuts a class down, or worse yet, team up with a class which has that item built-in as a skill.

Your whole arguments revolve around "1v1". Of course cruz wrecks SS in 1v1, but high lvl pk is about teams and coordination, and trust me, people would rather have a SS than a cruz in their team.

 

[Vandal02]

@PanMilan Official server was not dead because of the balancing if my memory serves me right.. well maybe just from my view
@Leba well, saying that people would rather to have ss than crus in team is quite confident statement imo.

SS being squishy is part of nature and I think it is totally fine. But I want to stress this, it is clear as day that fork and back stun x2 time are just unfair (sorry double post).

final note,, I doubt Zankza will be convinced to buff any class tho.. so relax.

 

[red91]

Crusaders are extremely OP, they know it they just won't admit it. We all know it.

 

[red91]

"slightly more mspd..." SS can probably survive without as much dodge than crus. CA paw alone would make you untouchable to a crus if you have ts. SS fly like you wouldn't believe lol. Even without it I think you underestimate wind walk + mspd neck + buff. However can a crus hit you when you have your seals going lol.

You may argue that Cruses have better damage and better aspd at full build(maybe aspd but I doubt damage), but then again it would cost more that quadruple what you would spend on an SS ever. Even then, Stun can't possibly compare to seals on more situations.

Now lets assume 1v1. Sure, perhaps a crus will dominate an SS with stealth-stun-slash since you don't always have TS. But even if we assume that, Cruses would be nothing more than DPS in most situations(Bossing, team pk). SS are sealers and DPS. Even if we assume SM have better seals than SS, which obviously experienced people in the server say they don't(I assume due to skill pts limitations?), SMs can't possibly compare to SS on DPS and mobility. You can't have the best of both worlds. Every class has its purpose and tbh SS are almost unfairly cheap for how helpful they can be.

Most cruses are probably crus just because that's what they used to be in previous versions of the games and/or because they look the coolest with their dual swords(Arguable) and/or we love being DPS more than support.

If you're complaining because you can't do as much DPS, you picked the wrong class.

Dude you're like 12, you clearly have never used the SS class in PKO, come talk to me when you do. Top1 is probably older then you are.

 

[Leba]

Crusaders are extremely OP, they know it they just won't admit it. We all know it.

The moment Crusaders are able to invest a lot of stats in con and get mad BD souls in their Armor/shield; one slashing any squishy on con mode while being close to invincible - that's when they become extremely OP, not at this point, not anytime soon.

 

[MZarur]

lemme put some points and numbers here:
1- no balances will occur by now.
2- the BEST crusaders can reach 2k max with poss + buff and lv3 rages forged into boes (u can think in something around 360m of investiment only to have lv3 rages and 2x boes. not mentioning hermes frame, hermes claw, lusts - a must - and winds) while a good ss, with CA Frame, gun 65 gloves with acc stats and lv2 striking can reach 2.5k max with same buffs and poss. the investiment in the SS? 15m on strikings, 20m ca frame, 35m gun.
3- crusader defense is the stealth. ss defense is the speed. cleric defense is the energy shield. sm defense is seal + ts. voy defense is the magic powers + tornado. champ defense is pr and defense. that's how the balance is.

ps.: im considering pets lv41, ss full acc, buffs lv10 and characters lv70.
ps2.: i was ss and after rebirth i changed to crusader.

 

[red91]

I suppose the stealth aspect is pushing it amd crusaders are extremely expensive. Id like strikings to be forgable in guns tho

 

[Leba]

I suppose the stealth aspect is pushing it amd crusaders are extremely expensive. Id like strikings to be forgable in guns tho

SSs already have high max, just like @MZarur explained. There's no need to push it further. BD Eyes and Explos are fine enough.

 

[red91]

We have no attack speed... crusaders have way more then double. It would be a fair balance.

 

[Leba]

We have no attack speed... crusaders have way more then double. It would be a fair balance.

But SSs have range, you can't compare the two. Not to mention a ranged seal which makes their target completely easy to shoot at.

 

[PanMilan]

to be honest all of the people complaining don't even pk... i bet they are having a hard time leveling with chest items and want class buffs lol thread ignored

 

[Radityo Didot]

Crus without stealth is not a crusader, if you add stealth to SS with seals thats overkill. Class balance is already good as it is (except SM). You just need to play your class right.

And tbh its already balanced since no 3 socket and no cracked/chipped gem, so overpowered cruses are only the one using much UGs.

Im wondering which maze did u play?